err... that's the point, everyone has to pay for extra services... dunno what's wrong about paying to get something else?

Quote from JTbo :

Don't fall into despair, we must stand strong in front of evil that tries to get our choices of freedom under it's control, stay strong my brother and believe ways of good, evil ones will never succeed

Well I canot say that, because...I`m guilty in a crime
I stole a skin I found in skinx folder, and raced with it
But when someone asked me to put it off I did, but... I`m guilty

Quote from Vykos69 :

Just my 2 cents:

About 99.9% of all skins use non licensed textures, logos etc. itself, you want to license them? And who's gonna pay the lawsuits from the big companies then?

The moment, you upload the skin, you give it free to everyone to use, and should be proud, if people use them. It's one of the coolest way to show that you like something, if you use it.

You probably say that because you suck at skinning. For people who are good at skinning its really disaponting to see a bitch who steal your stuff.
I just see that someone upload my skin on his LFSW account since now I cant put my "twat" version of it. But I have is account name so each time I play I check if he is not online and go to ram him with all my heart!!

Quote from waider :

You probably say that because you suck at skinning. For people who are good at skinning its really disaponting to see a bitch who steal your stuff.
I just see that someone upload my skin on his LFSW account since now I cant put my "twat" version of it. But I have is account name so each time I play I check if he is not online and go to ram him with all my heart!!

then he probably play on some backwards servers where u dont get benned .. and where really litle ppl actualy see ur skin

Quote from blackcarmafia :

then he probably play on some backwards servers where u dont get benned .. and where really litle ppl actualy see ur skin

After all that make me furious to see this kind of act but I'am also happy coz people who do that make me feel pity.
And for those who say that there not any copyright or shit like "you should be happy" are totally wrong. If I or someone else make a PERSONNAL skin, its to keep it personal because this person want to be original and dont wanna see the firt nooby twat wear it thinking that he will be better with a nice skin.

Quote from waider :

You probably say that because you suck at skinning. For people who are good at skinning its really disaponting to see a bitch who steal your stuff.
I just see that someone upload my skin on his LFSW account since now I cant put my "twat" version of it. But I have is account name so each time I play I check if he is not online and go to ram him with all my heart!!

TOTALLY AGREED, those mo*********r skinstealers.

Quote from waider :

After all that make me furious to see this kind of act but I'am also happy coz people who do that make me feel pity.
And for those who say that there not any copyright or shit like "you should be happy" are totally wrong. If I or someone else make a PERSONNAL skin, its to keep it personal because this person want to be original and dont wanna see the firt nooby twat wear it thinking that he will be better with a nice skin.

If you want to keep it personal, keep it on your harddrive As for the ramming, I hope you get banned everytime.

"f I or someone else make a PERSONNAL skin, its to keep it personal because this person want to be original and dont wanna see the firt nooby twat wear it thinking that he will be better with a nice skin."

Frankly, its no longer a "personal" skin when you upload it to a "public" server. It's "public" a that point, and your juvenile rant is moot.

Basically, you're uploading content to be given freely to those who race you. You know that's the deal.

You have 2 choices here.

1) Upload your content so people can see it. Obviously for them to display said content, it has to reside on their system. Once content is no longer in your hands, you've lost the ability to control it. You know this already, so the simple act of uploading is sort-of a de-facto agreement to that.

2) Don't upload your content. Easy as that.

Encryption/Password locking are dumb ideas. At the least, they will slow the process down. At worst, they are useless. A password is only good until its figured out. At that point it doesn't matter anymore, because you can't simply change the password in the next version of lfs, because it would break all the skins you had downloaded. Frankly, I would rather the devs work on the game, and not play content-nanny for you.

Quote from rjm1982 :

"f I or someone else make a PERSONNAL skin, its to keep it personal because this person want to be original and dont wanna see the firt nooby twat wear it thinking that he will be better with a nice skin."

Frankly, its no longer a "personal" skin when you upload it to a "public" server. It's "public" a that point, and your juvenile rant is moot.

Basically, you're uploading content to be given freely to those who race you. You know that's the deal.

You have 2 choices here.

1) Upload your content so people can see it. Obviously for them to display said content, it has to reside on their system. Once content is no longer in your hands, you've lost the ability to control it. You know this already, so the simple act of uploading is sort-of a de-facto agreement to that.

2) Don't upload your content. Easy as that.

Encryption/Password locking are dumb ideas. At the least, they will slow the process down. At worst, they are useless. A password is only good until its figured out. At that point it doesn't matter anymore, because you can't simply change the password in the next version of lfs, because it would break all the skins you had downloaded. Frankly, I would rather the devs work on the game, and not play content-nanny for you.

LoL you are so funny...
Why dont upload my content, its a feature. Stealing skin is not a feature its acting like a twat.

Once I see you on the street (public place) I will stole your personal effects coz I consider they are public...

I bet that you don't make skins so don't speak about something you can't understand.

PS : Obsolum, I dont need to grow up ppl who dont respect the work of the other need....

none of my skins get stolen.. i dont upload onto lfsworld and not into the skin section

From the skins i've seen from you so far it's no suprise they don't get stolen...

jakg... what you've seen is nothing copared to what i do... besides you'd be sureprized what i do when im drunk.

i think i may upload a Top Secret s15 or my o.m.v xara wrc but i don't like having noobs say " i dont like you so no matter the quality ima rip on you "

Quote from waider :

LoL you are so funny...
Why dont upload my content, its a feature. Stealing skin is not a feature its acting like a twat.

Once I see you on the street (public place) I will stole your personal effects coz I consider they are public...

I bet that you don't make skins so don't speak about something you can't understand.

They aren't stealing it. You are G-I-V-I-N-G it to them. You are uploading it to a service who's sole purpose is to DISTRIBUTE IT.

The connection between stealing a physical item and this is beyond stupid. I'm trying very hard not to berate you more than necessary, but you are making it oh so very hard. I know you probably wont understand this concept, but I'll explain it anyway.

Taking a physical item from someone DEPRIVES them of said item. They LOSE something, they leave with LESS than they started with. In the case of content, they aren't STEALING it...stealing indicated theft, theft indicates loss. You have LOST nothing. You still have your skin, therefore, they are not, in fact, stealing it. Its the same with the music industry. At least though, with music, they can claim a loss, because they lost the sale. You aren't selling anything, so you have no argument. Also, Last I checked, there is no way to upload a license with the image, so you can't even claim copyright infringement. While you legally hold the copyright, without a license, it falls under "fair use" and therefor, they can use it.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about... Nope, I don't skin cars for LFS. The texture mapping is horrendous at best. I've got about 10 cars I've done...only 2 uploaded to lfsworld because the others are incomplete. As games go, the mapping of the models is very bad. A 25 pixel square on the hood is generally not the same size on the model as a 25 pixel square on the door. That's a HUGE no-no when it comes to serious modeling/texturing. Frankly, I don't feel the need to waste my time trying to work around it.

However, I do spend around 10-15 hours a week contributing to various open-source development projects. All free, all open source, and all GPL licensed (anyone can copy, modify, and redistribute any code I create at their leisure, as long as they leave my license info in the file). Frankly, I think that content creators who try to keep anyone from using their content, or only allow its use with restrictive terms, are greedy, self-serving, poor examples of humanity. Theres a time and a place to make money off of content creation, when its offered as a service, ok. Development shops, software developers, and artists that actually provide their skills as paid services are fine. People who do it for a hobby, put it out there for anyone (generally more of a "bragging" type thing) and bitch when someone uses it that they don't like are quite despicable.

If you don't want someone to use your skin, don't give it to them. Simple as that. Your argument is juvenile and defensive, which means it should hardly be taken seriously. By putting your skin on lfsworld.com, you are, in-fact, GIVING it to everyone you race with, and you are doing so without license or restriction. If you don't like it, don't upload it. If you create skins because you like it, then keep them to yourself. But thats not really it, you want everyone to see it, you want the attention, you have the need to feel recognition for your work, and that's perfectly ok, thats normal behavior in every aspect. However, unless LFS integrates some sort of license system or encryption setup, anything you upload is considered "fair use" material, and that means people can use, modify, and redistribute. The only thing they can do that would be marginally illegal, would be to profit from it...and thats still a very gray line.

Quote from rjm1982 :

They aren't stealing it. You are G-I-V-I-N-G it to them. You are uploading it to a service who's sole purpose is to DISTRIBUTE IT.

The connection between stealing a physical item and this is beyond stupid. I'm trying very hard not to berate you more than necessary, but you are making it oh so very hard. I know you probably wont understand this concept, but I'll explain it anyway.

Taking a physical item from someone DEPRIVES them of said item. They LOSE something, they leave with LESS than they started with. In the case of content, they aren't STEALING it...stealing indicated theft, theft indicates loss. You have LOST nothing. You still have your skin, therefore, they are not, in fact, stealing it. Its the same with the music industry. At least though, with music, they can claim a loss, because they lost the sale. You aren't selling anything, so you have no argument. Also, Last I checked, there is no way to upload a license with the image, so you can't even claim copyright infringement. While you legally hold the copyright, without a license, it falls under "fair use" and therefor, they can use it.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about... Nope, I don't skin cars for LFS. The texture mapping is horrendous at best. I've got about 10 cars I've done...only 2 uploaded to lfsworld because the others are incomplete. As games go, the mapping of the models is very bad. A 25 pixel square on the hood is generally not the same size on the model as a 25 pixel square on the door. That's a HUGE no-no when it comes to serious modeling/texturing. Frankly, I don't feel the need to waste my time trying to work around it.

However, I do spend around 10-15 hours a week contributing to various open-source development projects. All free, all open source, and all GPL licensed (anyone can copy, modify, and redistribute any code I create at their leisure, as long as they leave my license info in the file). Frankly, I think that content creators who try to keep anyone from using their content, or only allow its use with restrictive terms, are greedy, self-serving, poor examples of humanity. Theres a time and a place to make money off of content creation, when its offered as a service, ok. Development shops, software developers, and artists that actually provide their skills as paid services are fine. People who do it for a hobby, put it out there for anyone (generally more of a "bragging" type thing) and bitch when someone uses it that they don't like are quite despicable.

If you don't want someone to use your skin, don't give it to them. Simple as that. Your argument is juvenile and defensive, which means it should hardly be taken seriously. By putting your skin on lfsworld.com, you are, in-fact, GIVING it to everyone you race with, and you are doing so without license or restriction. If you don't like it, don't upload it. If you create skins because you like it, then keep them to yourself. But thats not really it, you want everyone to see it, you want the attention, you have the need to feel recognition for your work, and that's perfectly ok, thats normal behavior in every aspect. However, unless LFS integrates some sort of license system or encryption setup, anything you upload is considered "fair use" material, and that means people can use, modify, and redistribute. The only thing they can do that would be marginally illegal, would be to profit from it...and thats still a very gray line.

You are officialy boring...

Quote from waider :

You are officialy boring...

In saying that, you have officially lost the argument

I've had 2 of my skins stolen. LX4 police and an RB4 castrol. the worst part is that I didn't upload them so I can't change them. I guess this means my skins are getting good enough that pople will wear them.

Now I am lost.....how can someone steal your skin if you don't upload them?!

Quote from DasBoeseC :

Now I am lost.....how can someone steal your skin if you don't upload them?!

He probably named his skins LX4_police and RB4_castrol, and no doubt there are skins that have been uploaded with those names. So whenever he sees anyone online using their own uploaded skin, or someone elses with the same name, he sees them wearing the one he made and never uploaded.

Haha i dont make skins but when is use them online i'l paste my intyre name on them somewhere so people who cant skin

(those are the stealers) like me but im not stealing i just ask people to make them, for me(with my name on them somewhere) that's also a way

crap, i forgot to put my name on my XFG_ASclio skins

Quote from col :

In saying that, you have officially lost the argument

In saying that you miss a reason to shut your mouth.

Quote from waider :

In saying that you miss a reason to shut your mouth.

Wow, it took you a full 7 days to come up that with little pearl of wisdom?

Keep burying yourself, nobody takes you seriously anymore.

Quote from rjm1982 :

Wow, it took you a full 7 days to come up that with little pearl of wisdom?

Keep burying yourself, nobody takes you seriously anymore.

Keep shut the **** up, my computer is not my gf...

And don't speak about things you don't know!

usually if i see someone using one of my teams skins or any personal skins, i ask them to change it and they usually do.



imitation is the best form of flattery

Quote from dadge :

imitation is the best form of flattery

Now this really made me post - in which way it is the best?

(in regards of skins stealing, put your nick into the composition and you are safe + it should satisfy your exhibitionist ego very well, too)