Like the title says..

What does a grinding clutch sound like? I've never heard one (and I've not exactly been devoid of cars in my life).

I'm curious too. Standing still with the throttle floored in second gear, no clutch pedal pressed and i could only hear the engine. And ofcourse the smell, THE SMELL!

Quote from tristancliffe :

What does a grinding clutch sound like? I've never heard one (and I've not exactly been devoid of cars in my life).

you know hes probably talking about the dogteeth engaging when synchos aren't working as they should.

you mean the gears grinding surley. but yes, would be nice.

Quote from Primoz :

I'm curious too. Standing still with the throttle floored in second gear, no clutch pedal pressed and i could only hear the engine. And ofcourse the smell, THE SMELL!

What you need to do is strike some matches. Not the same smell but will give you that nice burning smell to help with the immersion

Yep, I have smoked a few clutches when I was younger and never heard noise, just that smell.

You mean you guys have never driven a car that'll make that grinding sound when the clutch is released before you're done shifting? It just quietly finds its way into the gears' fold?

^^That's the gears grinding because your trying to shift them with a load on them (ie. without clutching or rev-matching).

Quote from Breizh :

You mean you guys have never driven a car that'll make that grinding sound when the clutch is released before you're done shifting? It just quietly finds its way into the gears' fold?

LOL, if you know how to change gears, you shouldn't hear a noise...

Quote from Breizh :

You mean you guys have never driven a car that'll make that grinding sound when the clutch is released before you're done shifting? It just quietly finds its way into the gears' fold?

How many clutches have you destroyed exactly???

I had a clutch that made a sound once - it got worn enough that something got loose inside. It looked fun after

My clutch goes ratatatatatat like a helicopter when the car's in neutral... should we put that in LFS? nooo!

Yes, I'd love to hear multi-plate racing clutches in the lower powered race cars (the high powered cars would be too noisy to hear them).

Who says I destroy clutches? The only noisy clutch I've had was one that had something wrong with one of the gears. After some experimentation I found the noise was indeed the same as when I tried to shift by letting go the clutch too early in the other normal gears.

But that's not the topic.. I just have heard a lot of people make some really loud noises in real brand new cars and regardless of how aweful those sounds are, they are not a negligible. They aren't in the categories of things impossible in LFS, e.g. worn out screeching brakes. They should be audible in some of the cars we have, and would make for one more sound feedback in LFS.. The same way we've got ignition sounds and popcorn engines from over-rev, etc.
The same way we'll eventualy have glowing brake pads and smoke in the cockpit, or oil on the track.

Quote from Breizh :

The only noisy clutch I've had was one that had something wrong with one of the gears.

If your gears are in your clutch a noise is the least of your problems.

yer would be cool

Wait—I think he meant gear grinding sounds! :magnify:

Sounds right.. I don't really care about the specifics. The point is that that noise should be heard on misuse of the gearbox in LFS, and in some of the cars as Tristan says. In the former case it's a detriment to your speed around the track and having the sound feedback would be useful.

Quote from MAGGOT :

If your gears are in your clutch a noise is the least of your problems.

When you'd push the stick into third, it'd sound as though the clutch hadn't been lifted (ignoring the fact that there's a safety blocking you from moving the stick without pressing the clutch pedal). Depending on the situation, I'd get back to the previous gear and re-shift to third, or just ignore the sound and shove it in.
The sound was the same as I'd found later on, letting off the clutch pedal before the stick was fully into any other gear's position. I had never heard any wrong sounds from gearboxes before myself, because I took the time to learn to shift correctly from the first time I drove a manual. I had heard people grind their gears (usualy hapless women and the like) but never gave it any thought beyond it being symptomatic of not using the clutch pedal the right way.

umm, bro... your synchros are gone. Time for a transmission rebuild or a new car, holmes!

Work car, it's a pickup that routinely gets beaten up towing and carrying loads at or just above capacity, to and fro, day in, day out.. It's only third gear that does it, about once every twenty shifts or so. The gearbox is fine otherwise, I can cleanly shift it a little faster than the big LFS GTRs can shift.
Is it the sort of thing that should be fixed asap, or something that can be ignored? One of the other drivers said it's been that way for two years or so already.

Back on topic - It's nonetheless the same sound I've heard perfectly fine cars make when they're mishandled, and Tristan says the clutch setups of some cars make sounds too. Ducatis' dry clutches are famous for their noise, but I don't know if that's exclusive to them, or even if it's the same thing as Tristan mentionned. Either way the sound should happen in LFS for the reasons I gave in previous posts.

Quote from Breizh :

Work car, it's a pickup that routinely gets beaten up towing and carrying loads at or just above capacity, to and fro, day in, day out.. It's only third gear that does it, about once every twenty shifts or so. The gearbox is fine otherwise, I can cleanly shift it a little faster than the big LFS GTRs can shift.
Is it the sort of thing that should be fixed asap, or something that can be ignored? One of the other drivers said it's been that way for two years or so already.

Back on topic - It's nonetheless the same sound I've heard perfectly fine cars make when they're mishandled, and Tristan says the clutch setups of some cars make sounds too. Ducatis' dry clutches are famous for their noise, but I don't know if that's exclusive to them, or even if it's the same thing as Tristan mentionned. Either way the sound should happen in LFS for the reasons I gave in previous posts.

I agree, I like the idea and think that in some circumstances it would work in LFS. However when it comes to street cars and race cars like we have in LFS, you don't run into a lot of grinding. You would have to try to make the gears grind in most of those cars to hear anything, and I doubt even then your going to hear much. When I think of gear grinding I think of 18 wheelers and large trucks, so I'm kind of torn on how to implement this into the game.

I think some bike clutches (e.g. Ducati) and most racing clutches lack radial softening - i.e. the springs that take up small differences in position, and help soften a drivetrain. They also tend to 'preload' a clutch, which stops them from rattling. Multiplate clutches (not normally used on road cars, unless they are pretty high performance) will also suffer rattling when the plates are unloaded (i.e. you press the pedal or pull the lever).

In my racing, I can fail a noise test (105dB(A)) if I press the clutch pedal, but pass it if I leave it engaged in neutral. That's how much of a difference it makes. But in gear and driving, they remain quiet, and whilst changing gear the engine/wind/road noise covers it up anyway.

Crunching gears would be hard to simulate in most cases. In LFS you can't force a gear in as gear selection is either in or out (on paddles or h-shifters), but you could add a generic 'gear crunch' noise if the clutch isn't disengaged (and the shaft speeds not matched, as clutchless shifting is possible in ALL cars [and in LFS, correctly]), or is (dis)engaged at the wrong moment during the shift sequence.

However, I think it's such a small useless thing that it can wait until gearboxes, clutches and other stuff around them are 'simulated' in more detail, which again isn't a pressing issue.

Quote from BigTime :

I agree, I like the idea and think that in some circumstances it would work in LFS. However when it comes to street cars and race cars like we have in LFS, you don't run into a lot of grinding. You would have to try to make the gears grind in most of those cars to hear anything, and I doubt even then your going to hear much. When I think of gear grinding I think of 18 wheelers and large trucks, so I'm kind of torn on how to implement this into the game.

Well, the sounds I've heard when people mis-handle their shifts are pretty dang loud, nearly painful to hear
I've tried shoving gears with too little clutch and it undoubtedly is loud enough to hear, definitely not negligible..

Thanks for the info Tristan. If gear shifts are modeled that way, then I agree it's not the right time to include these sounds.

Gear grinding sound would be a nice addition.
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