This is someone wishing they could do that, but instead just lock the back wheels and drag them about http://youtube.com/watch?v=JQMQkMvRG3I watch near the end and you realise he just has handbrake on almost 90% of the time in a "drift"
If you see them as the same you are watching with different eyes than me
Most D1 style "drifting" with rwd is just power sliding, however it is initiated. If that's what you consider to be drifting then no, a fwd can't do that properly.
He had use Hand brake, right. but did he "drag the rear"?
Just like RWD car, is push the thottle=power side?
FWD pull Hand Brake=RWD car push Thottle
than, that video was few years ago, so that their skill would be lower.
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if all FF drift is Hand brake Drag, than all RWD drift is just power side
if not all RWD drift is power side, than not all FF drift is Hand brake Drag.
goddamn, all u ppl that think FF cars can drift are a bunch of retard's.
To drift is to make the rear wheels spinn around the corner, SPINN around the corners and not slide. drifting is all about speed, how many degrees ure going sideways, and smoke...lots of smoke is good!
with a FF car u simply cant have the same speed, and it's impossible to make the magic smoooke trough the corner in an FF car.....and it simply look's stupid!:doh:
alright lemme make my point acroos first.... IM NOT ON ANYONES SIDE
I love raceing Lemans,f1,f3000,rally,touring,and nascar.
i love drifting such as d1gp and hotversion (my favorite)
anyways drifting is when you inntiate a slide through a corner thats it. Keep in mind that a drift is not a powerslide as a powerslide is ussaly when you lose ccontrol or understeer or even go to fast into a corner and you correct your mistake with a power slide well thats what i do(except in fbm)
FF can drift its called Poweroversteer (ithink) anyways its just not as great as RWD of course!
RWD of course the best is as you all know drifting
AWD also one of my favs is called the 4wd full throtle drift (ithink)
and MR is well MR anyways heres my proof that AWD,MR,FR,FF can drift PLS WATCH FF and AWD videos PLS! then you will understand thx!
ps:it takes a skilled driver to mak an ff drift through a wide corner as shown in the videos PLS watch.
Actually your a retard for saying we are retarts and calling FF drifters retards.... watch my video about ff drifting on youtube (link above) and youll see the way this guy drifts the ff civic theres smoke, alot plus the slide lasts through the whole turn and he dosent just use the E-brake so your a retard
They actually have a professional all FF drift team called team dori dori in japan go look it up and get your facts straight first
Actually needing to touch the handbrake in a drift FWD or RWD in my eyes is just a poor drifter that is new to drifting. It is not required and there are many other ways to initiate a drift. Shift lock, scando flick etc etc etc. All that require skill, unlike the handbrake.
I posted that same vid earlier or in another thread myself. WATCH the end where it is in car. He actually has the handbrake on 90%+ of each corner. Even from the outside cam you can see that the rear wheels are fully locked up most of the time. The ONLY reason there is smoke is because the rears are locked and dragging, nothing else.
You really should WATCH what you post and understand WHAT you are watching before you make statements like that
You and a number of others might like to defend FF drifting but the fact that the MAJOR D1 events do NOT allow FWD cars at all just shows what we all know. FF drifting is really just dragging locked up wheels around a corner. It is NOT the same as a RWD drift where you are actually holding the car in balance and steering with you right foot.
Please find a vid that shows a FF drift through a series of complex bends WITHOUT ever using the handbrake and I will change my view
This argument is kinda usless... Wanna know why? This has been a topic for a long long time. When will you stop trying to show that FF's can't drift when it's physicly impossible? are you waiting for Tsuchiiya to say "You can't drift on FF's" in japanesse? Come on people!
Most of you even hear about Tsuchiiya and think about drift. What comes to my mind is Le Mans
Anyway, back to topic. Please stop! You won't change people minds! And (obviously) we can't change yours. It's a dead end
while i do agree with you that fwd drifting isnt actually drifting, its still kinda fun and you dont need a handbrake, a good LSD and 45 psi in the back tires will hang the back out most convincingly if you go into a corner and play the steering/gas game properly.. if your very rough on the car, and have enough speed, you can keep the back end out for a bit also... the car isnt very balanced to drive with that much air in the back tires tho, ive seen many guys loose rims because of that
sigh.... :biggun:
dictionary definition of drifting: oversteering with powering-over using the rear wheels, while countersteering following a specific line.
ff's can appear to drift by skidding, they can use oversteer to slow down during road racing, but the term drifting refers to "the sport of exhibition sliding" which, case in point, would be holding oversteer all through out the track.
ff's can skid for a short distance, but it can not hold a long continuous skid with the rear wheels, it will stop moving because of inertia soon enough. only rear wheel drive cars can execute a "dictionary drift". ff's drag ass, it's a fact. you can use it in road racing or rally racing but not exhibitioning.
and by the way, there are several methods besides ebrakes to initiate in an ff:
trail braking(uses rear wheel unloading)
engine braking(rear wheel unloading)
and feinting(uses yaw)
and by the way, there are good drivers that got away with ff show drifting...
kyle of hawaii(uses gravity when going downhill) and takahashi(uses high speeds)....they are able to hold long skids but they are very skilled.
Scania, the longitudal lines on the asphalt in the forces view represents lateral forces. When the wheels are spinning, the line is red. On the other car you can see the red bar shooting onwards from rear tires - they are spinning. On the other car there is no bar at all on the rear wheels because they're just dragged behind, so this "quiz" was kinda pointless.
By wikipedia definition FWD drifting IS drifting, but who really cares? If it makes you a happier ass-dragger, then fine. There is just nothing to discuss about it.
Just please don't give people wrong idea or everyone will think D1GP is 1-st-2nd gear corners only. D1GP tracks are high speed too. Very high speed actually and the cars in D1GP are very high powered except some ae86(but many of those are amazing too, and they are very light on top of that).
Ebisu is pretty much the only one with low speed corners(at the end of section).
Power in serious drifting is needed, and denying this is just wrong. And actually every longer corner or longer sequence of corners will include "power drifting"(Note: I do not mean it as initiation technique now). This is simple physics.
FF cars on the other hand can't do one very important thing, they can't accelerate while drifting like FR cars do. "Drifting FF cars" seems to be just "art for art"(As doing something, just to do it, even if it doesn't make much sense, and even if a car with FR layout gives lots of more possibilities). And if it's real drifting or not - I don't give a shit anymore. Enjoy the cat fight
Regardless of what the general public thinks, the people who run D1GP (Japan) and Formula D (USA) that make the rules do not allow front wheel drive cars in their drift contests, because those people do not consider sliding the rear end with the front end under complete control to be drifting.
Handbrakes are used quite often in drift events, to initiate drifts and to decrease the turning radius while in a drift. Most of the high end drift cars have a rachetless handbrake lever that is longer and located closer to the driver than a normal car. Drifting is a combination of hand braking and power slides.
Due to limited space and smaller tracks at many of the Japan D1GP events, the speeds are slower. Even on the larger tracks, speeds rarely exceed 75mph.
hydraulic handbrake.. gods gift to destroying tires instead of using the whole cable handbrake setup (which some cars still retain) the hydraulic handbrake plums into the brake lines of the car, giving you a LOT more clamping force on the rear calipers (or drums..)
btw, ebrakes are for emergencies, ppl only need it to correct their line if they mess up going in, and people rarly use the handbrake, exept in manji or choku drifts
I would much rather use the hydraulic handbrake that allows full control over the rear brakes just as the foot brake allows for control over the front brakes
and @ RS, awd's can drift, but it's very hard, you might just end up neutralsteering and trying to pretend you have your front wheels gripping.
I talked through this issue many times on many drift forums and the conclusion is: it's not drifting unless you have the front wheel gripping and the rear wheel slipping by means of your engine
Also to consider for the one's who defend FF drifting:
How many of you have done it in real life? **** Live For Speed, I want you to hop into a real car and do it. Right now. Prove it to me. Don't refer me to youtube videos or whatnot, cause it still does not back up the argument.
I want to see people who post in this thread take a corner in a FF car and, with minimally using the handbrake, maintain momentum and speed through a long corner.
Or for that matter, how many of you can actually drive legally??
You are right about that! I can do it in my WRX...if the road surface is wet. Otherwise, a scandanavian flick works wonders but the momentum only last for so long. AWD cars are for gripping the road, not tail happy theatrics.
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