Hi guys its me again and i just want to say that i think its possible to drift an xfg/FF because as proof i have a video attached. I know many threads have been started about ff drifting before. I dont want any fights i just want to know if you think this video is FF drifting or not. Also as you can see in the video i start sliding with the brakes and end sliding at the end of the corner not the middle im sure with practice it can be much better
in the video:
i have normal tires with regular pressure
brake balance 74%
and everything else is stock
also if you watch i never use the e-brake i just use feint and braking drift
Oversteer does not equal drifting. Any car can oversteer; only a RWD car can actually drift because drifting is using the throttle to manipulate the rear of the car while cornering in order to make the car behave in a specific way.
lol. A powerslide is a drift, just one that does not use much slip angle. Even in a full tail out, tyres on fire drift you STILL control the rotation of the car with your right foot. This is what takes the skill in drifting, keeping the car in balance.
FF just requires lots of handbrake or a car that is setup so far out of shape that there is no grip in the rear end.
No, it isn't. That's precisely my point. If the throttle isn't being used to directly control (as opposed to indirectly control with a FWD car) the slip angle of the rear of the car, it isn't drifting. Oversteer does not equal drift.
Webster's New Millenium Dictionary of English defines drifting as "an extreme motor sport in which race cars slide sideways on racetrack turns". Wikipedia defines drifting as "a sport where drivers intentionally induce oversteer, to be judged on their technique" and "the condition where a motor vehicle's rear wheels slip at a greater angle than the front wheels".
According to them, oversteer equals drift.
No matter what you say in a topic that has something to do with drifting, you're going to get contradicting answers...
The meaning of "drifting" in general motorsport or advanced driving is simply a form of controlled, sustained oversteer or neutral skid.
Drifting was very common in motorsport prior to the wide-spread use of steel-radial tyres. It is still a common occurrence in racing cars that have a high power-to-weight ratio and minimal aerodynamic downforce, and obviously applicable in loose-surface rallying, rally-cross, and hill-climbs. Even modern FF cars such as Super 1600 class rally cars often drift. In circuit racing, the old Mini S is best driven with ample application of neutral drifting.
The very restricted definition of drifting as per specialist "drifting-only" sports like D1, need not apply here. The OP is talking about drifting in a general sense, not strictly as a sanctioned sport.
Some S1600 cars in a tarmac rally. Some nice little flicks and bootlegs, showing various forms of drifting to counter-act the tendency to understeer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4G018XqGYg
Jean Ragnotti demonstrates the use of a Scandinavian Flick and handbrake to do a small powerslide (a subset of drifting) in a Renault Clio S1600 car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo26FwaSt7k
Classic race at Cadwell. Pretty good demonstration of turn-in oversteer, followed by massive power-understeer from Minis. Result is a messy but effective neutral drift through corners: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjSjYQaTpEk
For the people who are in the belief that a front wheel drive car can drift, I ask them if the have ever in real life driven a real wheel drive car sideways, much less driven a real car at all.
You can argue semantics until you are blue in the face and if you take some literal definitions at face value then, yes you can call FF drifting.
BUT, and this is the big but.
None of that matters. When you see a FF drift it looks lame and contrived and required huge cheats like extreme setups or constant handbrake use to get close to what can be done in a RWD car.
It is just not the same. Apples and Cheese, can't compare at all.
Show a FF car do a tight controlled figure of eight "drift" just using weight transfer where the car is balanced just using the throttle, no hand brake, and people might take you serious.
Semantics is the key issue here, as we disagree on the meaning of "drifting".
And I'm not taking a literal definition at face value either. If you show any of the video clips I've posted to a race driver from before 1970 (before "drifting" came into its own), and ask if the drivers are drifting, they'll most likely say yes.
I'm just describing drifting in the traditional sense that most drivers use it, not just "drifters".
Yeah it is a big but, and I do agree with your sentiment.
You have to understand that the technique is quite different. Drifting a RWD is controlled by throttle and steering. Drifting a FF requires balanced use of handbrake or left-foot braking, steering, and throttle. There are more factors involved in a FF drift, and it is therefore more difficult to achieve a clean, accurate drift with a FF car.
I'm talking real-life driving, not just computer games/sims.
By the way, I've just checked out D1 properly, and they do allow FF cars. So if FF drifting is recognised by professional drifters as "drifting", then I don't know why some people still say FF cars "can't drift".
I consider the way a fwd car (or any car for that matter) can go through a corner with a slight oversteer attitude to be more of a drift than 95% of the show "drifting" which is all too frequently just powersliding
This isnt drifting at all , what i saw is an xfg with oversteering setup that cant take a clean drift around a corner ( you are ending the slide in the apex of the corner.. cause you are sliding and simultaneus braking-losing speed , exacly the opposite of what drifting is )
Plus you cant link non of the corners you just oversteers here and there ......
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yeah. there is no drifting a xfg. i used it when i was using kb because i didnt have a reasonable set and i had dial up internet. i got t1 and a dfp on the same day. i would just use the xfg for minor practice. i dont know if it did much. but something worked.
