^rofl...

btw, the porsche DOES have heavy clutch...

Quote from atlantian :

^rofl...

btw, the porsche DOES have heavy clutch...

Oh, really? How many porsches have you owned? You sound a little bit too confident, and thus not so convincing...

the one i drove is nearly twice as heavy as other cars i have driven...

Quote from atlantian :

the one i drove is nearly twice as heavy as other cars i have driven...

That doesn't mean that every porsches has heavy clutch. For example, my Ford Taunus -81 was rusty as hell and the fuel tank was leaking, it must mean that every Taunus('es?) is rusty as hell and the fuel tank also leaks.

my cousin claims that he restored the porsche very authentically...

Quote from atlantian :

my cousin claims that he restored the porsche very authentically...

Quote from Gekkibi :

That doesn't mean that every porsches has heavy clutch.

Pretty obvious what I meaned. I'm not interested that one porsche out there has a heavy clutch. It is like every finnish guys shoots at school because one did...

kk, i just assumed, because porsche sports cars are stereotypically known for having insanly high power to weight ratio...

Quote from atlantian :

kk, i just assumed, because porsche sports cars are stereotypically known for having insanly high power to weight ratio...

Purely depends on a model. For example, if you compare Boxter to others manufacturers product, you notice that it isn't very powerful.

You know, there are lots of other porsches just than 911's?

Im pretty sure my dads accord has over 36degrees lock, although i could be horribly wrong

Will check tomorow.

Quote from Gekkibi :

For example, my Ford Taunus -81 was rusty as hell and the fuel tank was leaking, it must mean that every Taunus('es?) is rusty as hell and the fuel tank also leaks.

Bad example. All of them really are rusty as hell and have a leaky tank.

atlantian, you sure your cousin did the job right?

Quote from March Hare :

Bad example. All of them really are rusty as hell and have a leaky tank.

Untrue! My friend also had a Taunus and it didn't had a leaky tank (However, it was still rusty).

EDIT: Put a pic of my ex taunus. Don't know why, I just remembered that I had a pic. However, luckily there is a beauty in a same picture (Triumph Herald -67)

I had a rusty (and leaky) station wagon of the same era.

idk if my cousin did it correctly, he is 35 and driven a lot of cars so i am taking his word for it

Driving many cars does not make you able to fix them properly.
Let's hope he hasn't messed up anything important.

Although he just might have installed a more robust HD clutch. Those usually feel heavier. <= or is it heavyer?

Heavier.

Haven't bothered to read the whole thread, but I seem to recall that the Nissan S-bodies (s13-s15) has got about 41-42 degrees lock in stock form. With a simple spacer it can easily be increased by at least 5-6 degrees...

And as for realism being the main argument for not allowing more lock, I must say that I don't know many stock cars that will let you adjust gear ratios, damper settings, diff settings, alignment etc. like you can with the XRT. IRL it would be way easier to increase steering angle than adjust ackerman...!

And yes, you do need more lock to drift properly. Of course one can drift with 36 degrees, but when chasing those insane entry angles it just won't do the job.

Grip racers will never get this though, as they're afraid of pushing the limits beyond what's "safe"

(Btw, I have 15 years of IRL racing experience, yet I love drifting! It's all about pushing limits and having fun in a car isn't it?)

Quote from fsr :

And yes, you do need more lock to drift properly. Of course one can drift with 36 degrees, but when chasing those insane entry angles it just won't do the job.

If it's not possible then how come some people can do it?

Or do you want more than a 90 degree entry? Doesn't look like he's using tweak either.

Then why not ask for 360 degree steering lock?

Quote from March Hare :

Or do you want more than a 90 degree entry? Doesn't look like he's using tweak either.

Irrelevant. The thread is not about whether or not we can or "can not" drift with the current limitations. The person in the video is using an unrealistic controller to begin with. Looks like mouse/keyboard. If you would bother driving on 900 degrees, you would know it's a pain in the butt to cope with slow steering in big entry angles on 36 degree steering lock.

Some people really are starting to sound like broken records. Always helps me remember why I dislike this joint so much.

Quote from Matrixi :

If you would bother driving on 900 degrees, you would know it's a pain in the butt to cope with slow steering in big entry angles on 36 degree seering lock.

Especially with the FZ5 that has RR layout, which is such a well balanced car for drifting. *sarcastic*

the 90 degree drifts and cornerings are neutral slides, i do that because i don't know how to drive...

but a true driver will know how to control the angle with the throttle and be able to manipulate the vehicle to do anything

Quote from Matrixi :

If you would bother driving on 900 degrees, you would know it's a pain in the butt to cope with slow steering in big entry angles on 36 degree steering lock.

Some people really are starting to sound like broken records. Always helps me remember why I dislike this joint so much.

Actually I do use 900 degrees on my DFP. I know how hard it is to make a good drift. Even if I myself can't do it properly. But do you really want drifting to be easy? There are games that have a single button that makes you automatically drift. I always thought that the real drifters were all about car CONTROL.

About the broken record. What kind of LFSer resurrected this thread again...

Quote from Matrixi :

Irrelevant. The thread is not about whether or not we can or "can not" drift with the current limitations. The person in the video is using an unrealistic controller to begin with. Looks like mouse/keyboard. If you would bother driving on 900 degrees, you would know it's a pain in the butt to cope with slow steering in big entry angles on 36 degree steering lock.

Some people really are starting to sound like broken records. Always helps me remember why I dislike this joint so much.

I dont think you realise HOW many people here have a G25 or DFP and use 720+degrees of steering lock

If you have trouble using large lock DO NOT pretend it is normal. Some of us know how to drive and use weight shifts as to not have to fight the wheel

Quote from March Hare :

Actually I do use 900 degrees on my DFP.

I actually recall racing against you once, hope to do so again in the future.

Quote from March Hare :

I know how hard it is to make a good drift. Even if I myself can't do it properly. But do you really want drifting to be easy?

No-one wants it to be easier, it's been said over and over and OVER again in this thread. We want it to be more fun, more exciting to push huge angles and smoother feint transitions. Oh, and how about... more REALISTIC? *GASP!*

Quote from March Hare :

About the broken record. What kind of LFSer resurrected this thread again...

Why shouldn't it be resurrected? Because it's an improvement suggestion started by drifters? Because it would be a step in the right direction towards realism favoring drifters? Because we still await acknowledgement by Scawen?

Quote from Woz :

I dont think you realise HOW many people here have a G25 or DFP and use 720+degrees of steering lock

I know quite a lot of the anti-drift whiners in this thread are using some arcadey wheels. When you go race/spec them, you see their steering go lock to lock in a fraction of a second and they are still not able to catch a simple slide.

Quote from Woz :

If you have trouble using large lock DO NOT pretend it is normal. Some of us know how to drive and use weight shifts as to not have to fight the wheel

Are you somehow trying to say I cannot handle driving and simply want it to become easier by asking for more realistic lock options? Oh well, according to lfsf you only started posting in 2007 (that's after I got enough of this forums userbase) so you don't know me very well.

Anyway, I don't wish to argue. The facts about the improvement have been laid out, real life samples have been given. There's not much more we can do. I won't bite to any more madtytedryfth8er arguments.

Quote from Matrixi :

I actually recall racing against you once, hope to do so again in the future.

What? Where? I deny everything!
Just kidding.
I don't think I remember you, sorry.
Hope I didn't crash into you.

Quote from Matrixi :

Oh well, according to lfsf you only started posting in 2007 (that's after I got enough of this forums userbase) so you don't know me very well.

ROTF. Exactly what point are you trying to make? This should be funny.

BTW, I have been around and active in the LFS forums since I started LFS back in 2003, when the official forum was hosted on RSC. I was there in the fights when KB steer was gutted out etc if you really want to play that pissing contest

But anyway. What was the point you were trying to make with that quote above?