So reading al of this lfs realy iis verry accurate

So me driving lets say my fav car XFG in lfs then driving a real life counterpart
Lets say a 125 bhp 1,3 L Suzuki swift
I could do pretty well? becaus when im karting i dont realy have any lag of confidence
maybe my conficdence in myself is even tobig wich could caus me getting hurt
after few skins my confidence surely goes down

But when i start another kart head my confidence is healed and my brain gos to speed mode

So if i have these qualtaties i could actualy go to a grackday and take lessons i learned in lfs to reallife practice?

Quote from tristancliffe :

What's really odd is a hung brake and clutch, but floor mounted throttle - makes a very odd feeling when heel and toeing

that layout is surprisingly good for heel and toe if you use the ball of your foot on the brake and press the throttle with your heel near its pivot point


btw ive found its actually
real life * lfs = simple question

Quote from Shotglass :

btw ive found its actually
real life * lfs = simple question

Damn and here I was thinking it was

2(real life - simple question) = (LFS + drift)/LFS drift * LFS Race^10

Quote from LFSlide :

hahaha its Sleepr from NS

...anyway, nicely explained, again. lol

yeh i was thinking about just copying and pasting since id only written an identical post on ns yesterday. i saw this thread and im like fark i was only just talking about this.

oh and dw, i wasnt trying to be hostile on ns, just trying to explain my personal opinion on it, can sometimes come across as a bit heated, but yeh.

Quote from Chrisuu01 :

So me driving lets say my fav car XFG in lfs then driving a real life counterpart
Lets say a 125 bhp 1,3 L Suzuki swift
I could do pretty well?

no.

Quote from nisskid :

no.

Why not may i ask?

Just curois but please dont give me lfs only simulates drifting good(just in case you were going to say that)

Quote from LFSlide :

How many times do you plow into the wall or flip a car learning a track, car or setup?
You only get once chance in real life, lol.
Go for it, race your heart out

Whel i rarely crash just to let you know i have accdents yes but thats when people infront of me crash

I learn from watching pros race and trying to do the same and just carefully learning the track for 1 ore 2 races then floor it

Quote from Chrisuu01 :

Why not may i ask?

Just curois but please dont give me lfs only simulates drifting good(just in case you were going to say that)

it is a good simulator, but theres only a limit to how much a computer game can simulate, it cannot simulate most of what makes driving driving, it can only really simulate the physics of a car. i explained this in the first post, so maybe have another read of that.

basically, when you first learn to drive, whether it be grip or drift, you are overcome by many factors that u face on the track, as i mentioned before, speed, forces and safety are probably the most significant part, but theres also factors such as the controls, generally when u press something in LFS it will work, as well as having all the controls nicely setup where u want them etc. in real life its a lot different, you have brake variances with heat, clutch variances, steering wheel which carries massive force and will go all over the place with minor movement in the track, then having to change gears with a gearbox that sometimes just doesnt want to go into gear. then doing all this you have to fight the forces that will push you around in your seat (unless you have a full racing seat) meaning you will have to use elbows, knees, what ever u have free to support urself.

i could seriously write pages on all the different factors, but my point here is that these are what you have to overcome before you can even think about factors that are covered in LFS.

i guess the main issue is it's just so hard to relate the 2 when one is missing such major factors, its hard to think back and use any skills built up from a game when it just feels so different when your on the track and you have so much more to occupy ur mind.

Quote from Shotglass :

that layout is surprisingly good for heel and toe if you use the ball of your foot on the brake and press the throttle with your heel near its pivot point

In my opinion top mounted brake + floor mounted throttle is just about perfect when the brake-pedal is adjusted properly. Then your foot is in the perfect place to blip the throttle under braking and is not obstructed by the brake-pedal. Then you don't use the ball of your foot on both pedals, but the top part for the brake and lower part for the throttle, like pointed out in the quote.
On other configurations heel-toeing is likely to give me cramps in the leg...

Vain

Woow , nisskid You are a very good drifter ( real )

Quote from nisskid :

it is a good simulator, but theres only a limit to how much a computer game can simulate, it cannot simulate most of what makes driving driving, it can only really simulate the physics of a car. i explained this in the first post, so maybe have another read of that.

basically, when you first learn to drive, whether it be grip or drift, you are overcome by many factors that u face on the track, as i mentioned before, speed, forces and safety are probably the most significant part, but theres also factors such as the controls, generally when u press something in LFS it will work, as well as having all the controls nicely setup where u want them etc. in real life its a lot different, you have brake variances with heat, clutch variances, steering wheel which carries massive force and will go all over the place with minor movement in the track, then having to change gears with a gearbox that sometimes just doesnt want to go into gear. then doing all this you have to fight the forces that will push you around in your seat (unless you have a full racing seat) meaning you will have to use elbows, knees, what ever u have free to support urself.

i could seriously write pages on all the different factors, but my point here is that these are what you have to overcome before you can even think about factors that are covered in LFS.

i guess the main issue is it's just so hard to relate the 2 when one is missing such major factors, its hard to think back and use any skills built up from a game when it just feels so different when your on the track and you have so much more to occupy ur mind.

That sums it all up for me thanks NISSkid

Quote from RAM0011 :

Woow , nisskid You are a very good drifter ( real )

cheers mate.

Quote from Chrisuu01 :

That sums it all up for me thanks NISSkid

no probs.

Quote from nisskid :

it is a good simulator, but theres only a limit to how much a computer game can simulate, it cannot simulate most of what makes driving driving, it can only really simulate the physics of a car. i explained this in the first post, so maybe have another read of that.

The physics are the main part of race driving. The forces and things are additional, but not totally alien if you've driven on the road.

Quote from nisskid :

generally when u press something in LFS it will work, as well as having all the controls nicely setup where u want them etc. in real life its a lot different, you have brake variances with heat, clutch variances, steering wheel which carries massive force and will go all over the place with minor movement in the track, then having to change gears with a gearbox that sometimes just doesnt want to go into gear.

Rubbish. Racing cars have controls in much more sensible places than on a keyboard. Nice big levers and switches (most of which you don't touch once your on the track anyway).

Quote from nisskid :

then doing all this you have to fight the forces that will push you around in your seat (unless you have a full racing seat) meaning you will have to use elbows, knees, what ever u have free to support urself.

You never ever have to support yourself. If you do, then your seat is not only inadequate, it's unsafe. Get yourself a proper harness (or even a road belt properly tightened), pad the seat in the right place (costs nothing, and takes no time). If you are using your elbows to support yourself you can't steer properly. If you are using your knees to support yourself you can't use the pedals properly. There is no excuse for anyone on a track to ever have to support themselves, so I don't buy that at all.

Quote from nisskid :

i could seriously write pages on all the different factors, but my point here is that these are what you have to overcome before you can even think about factors that are covered in LFS.

Twaddle. If you are quick in LFS then you will be quite quick (car permitting) in real life after a race or two. it really is very similar indeed in most ways, and simplified in others.

Quote from nisskid :

i guess the main issue is it's just so hard to relate the 2 when one is missing such major factors, its hard to think back and use any skills built up from a game when it just feels so different when your on the track and you have so much more to occupy ur mind.

What occupies your mind other than driving whilst out there? I don't want to crash in real life, but I don't want to crash in LFS either - same mentality, but one is a little more real. the feeling, especially with a decent controller (pretty much any wheel) is just so... similar.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Twaddle. If you are quick in LFS then you will be quite quick (car permitting) in real life after a race or two.

not really as simple as the is it tristan.
what about fear i have zero fear doing 180mph around blackwood because i know if i crash i'll just pit in and hey presto ive got a new car and all my body parts where i left them.

(in fact in pretty much every answer you've just given i think you totally missed the point he was trying to make)

Quote from andybarsblade :

not really as simple as the is it tristan.
what about fear i have zero fear doing 180mph around blackwood because i know if i crash i'll just pit in and hey presto ive got a new car and all my body parts where i left them.

(in fact in pretty much every answer you've just given you missed the point totally he was trying to make)

Yes, it really is that simple. LFS teaches you a LOT about driving and racing. Most, if not all the skills you need to race in real life are (or can be) taught by LFS.

I would have zero fear about doing 180mph at Snetterton, because I know I'm not a complete tit. Accidents happen. they can be deadly at 60mph or at 180mph, but you really don't think about that whilst racing. Unless you like being last. But I never intend to crash in LFS either, and I drive as though my life is on the line. It makes you quicker, more consistent and more concentrated.

Considering our last little exchange Andy, I don't think you are in a position to judge if I missed what points he was trying to make. You used to hearing that wooshing noise as stuff flies over your head?

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Quote from tristancliffe :

You never ever have to support yourself. If you do, then your seat is not only inadequate, it's unsafe. Get yourself a proper harness (or even a road belt properly tightened), pad the seat in the right place (costs nothing, and takes no time). If you are using your elbows to support yourself you can't steer properly. If you are using your knees to support yourself you can't use the pedals properly. There is no excuse for anyone on a track to ever have to support themselves, so I don't buy that at all.

I don't understand why manufacturers can't use properly bolstered seats in the first place. People who ride in my car always love how the seats "hold you in". When I explain to them that the seats don't hold you in for sh*t and I have the dents in the speaker panels to prove it they look at me all confused...

This is a great, cheap little addition to a road seat belt, that will help you drive.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/ ... SPORT&pcode=CGLCGLOCK

tristan your being a tit, you've clearly never been A, in a serious crash and been injured in it, or B, anywhere near the limit while your driving to slow to feel scared.

on a side note i dont know why your trying to act all high and mighty and talk down to people?

Its close...

But if you have never driven a car, and hop in after playing years of LFS I think you still have no experience driving.

You WILL be a leg up...Having studied and drilled on the stuff like what a racing line is, balancing the car, ect...and you do get to practice things and see a good enough approximation of the consequences of your actions behind the wheel...But I think with no real life experiance behind the wheel its gonna take more then a couple races to get up to you speed in the game.

You could probably pick up and be driving fast enough to not draw attention in a couple races but you wont be winning for a long while.


I think once you have done it a bit in real life, you can more easily equate one to the other. With experience in both you can more easily anticipate the differences with out even noticing.

I think smooth shifting especially down shifting is more demanding in real life, or at least more noticeably affects the car (at least with my car).
More finesse with the clutch is required in real life, and if you have never actually driven stick before thats still going to take you a while to pick up, especially to pick up to the point where you can race quickly.

Quote from tristancliffe :

This is a great, cheap little addition to a road seat belt, that will help you drive.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/ ... SPORT&pcode=CGLCGLOCK

I had one in my last car. To be honest, I didn't like it. For a street car, it weighs down the seat belt (so you have to manually retract it), it sometimes would dig into me, and on summer days (in a convertible) it would heat up like crazy just like those good old metal seat belts.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Yes, it really is that simple. LFS teaches you a LOT about driving and racing. Most, if not all the skills you need to race in real life are (or can be) taught by LFS.

I would have zero fear about doing 180mph at Snetterton, because I know I'm not a complete tit. Accidents happen. they can be deadly at 60mph or at 180mph, but you really don't think about that whilst racing. Unless you like being last. But I never intend to crash in LFS either, and I drive as though my life is on the line. It makes you quicker, more consistent and more concentrated.

Considering our last little exchange Andy, I don't think you are in a position to judge if I missed what points he was trying to make. You used to hearing that wooshing noise as stuff flies over your head?

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although u do this the fear isnt there cause u re still playing a game.

U surelly think about crash in real life,i personally think is a lie that u never consider the risks during a race cause this is one of the main factors that restrain u and sometimes not letting u going even quicker.

from my experience once tryin to reach the limit the fear is present,the way u face it allows you to be quick or not

Quote from tristancliffe :

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Considering our last little exchange Andy, I don't think you are in a position to judge if I missed what points he was trying to make.

Well let me show you what i'm talking about.

" it can only really simulate the physics of a car. i explained this in the first post, so maybe have another read of that."

To which you said:

"The physics are the main part of race driving."

He isnt saying that the physics are not the main part of race driving, He is saying that LFS can only simulate the physics of race driving.
Which is true

Next he stated:

"generally when u press something in LFS it will work, as well as having all the controls nicely setup where u want them etc. in real life its a lot different, you have brake variances with heat, clutch variances, steering wheel which carries massive force and will go all over the place with minor movement in the track, then having to change gears with a gearbox that sometimes just doesnt want to go into gear."

To which you said :

"Rubbish. Racing cars have controls in much more sensible places than on a keyboard. Nice big levers and switches (most of which you don't touch once your on the track anyway)."

Again you missed the point he was trying to make which was not about the arrangement of levers and switches in the cabin but more about how the levers and general operating devices change during racing for example brake fade, and clutch biting points.

Now if you would like to get off your high horse and discuss what i have written please feel free but please leave the childish comments out.

He said "it can only really simulate the physics of a car. i explained this in the first post, so maybe have another read of that.". I replied that that's the most important thing. No missing the point at all. What else is really important in a racing simulator? Feedback is limited but sufficient. Forces are obviously a restriction, but not difficult to adapt to. What else is missing that stops you from driving a racing car in a race? NOTHING.

They don't change during racing. Brake fade is extremely rare. Clutch biting points don't change. Steering stays the same. ARB adjusters stay the same. Braking points might vary, and LFS currently doesn't simulate it. But it's the same process of adaption that we all do with the tyre wear.

Perhaps you should stop now before thay wooshing noise gives you tinnitus.

Oh, and when using italics to highlight something, do remember to turn them off when you're not intending them. Otherwise it looks like the whole thing is one big quote. But again, as a successful business manager, engineer and mechanic, I don't need to tell you that.

No, I don't suffer fear. In much the same way as I can't bring myself to try some corners flat in LFS I might struggle in first practice in real life. Obviously if you drive LFS like a complete twat, and spend your first 50 laps coming off the road, then real life will be different. But it's not hard to stay on the track and get within a few seconds of WR pace in any car at any track in LFS without crashing.

Quote from tristancliffe :

(...) because I know I'm not a complete tit.

Sorry...

Anyway.. I hope I'll have a chance to race a real car someday. I'm interested in finding out whether feeling the forces on your body simply provides more input or if it's a determining factor that changes the whole experience of driving, so to speak.. I think this is something you can only answer once you've tried.

Quote from tristancliffe :

I replied that that's the most important thing. No missing the point at all.

Oh whats this a spelling mistake! OMG the what has the world come to?

Unlike you i have a life and dont consider the fact that my posts arent 100% to your standards a big deal. Get a shag before you disappear up your own arsehole your lordship.

Where is the spelling error. I don't see one at all.
I = correct. replied = correct. that = correct. that's = correct... etc...

Do you have a life? I see no evidence of one at all. What have you done today? Learnt anything new today? Learnt anything at all? Ever?

Shag is coming in a bit. Just had a shower, and off to see the missue in about 3 minutes. Thanks for asking though. Very thoughtful of you.