Hi,

i have a latop now, and it sucks for games so i wanna buy a pc. My budget is 600-700 euro.
but i dont know much about computers, should i choose "AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+" or an Intel (which is way more expansive), and should i take "GeForce 8800GT " or "ATi Radeon HD 3870"? windows XP or Vista? and things like RAM how much do i need, and do i need a soundcard?

which one of these two systems is better?

AMD and ATi

NZXT ALPHA Black w/Window side panel,
Corsair Powersupply 550W Bulk, black,
Gigabyte GA-MA69GM-S2H, AMD 690G+SB600,
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+, 3.2GHz Socket
Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 2048MB
Gigabyte Radeon HD 3870 512MB GDDR3,
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB SATA2
NEC DVD±RW brander AD-7200S, 20x, SATA,
MS COA Windows Vista Home Premium

or

AMD and Nvidia

NZXT ALPHA Black w/Window side panel,
Corsair Powersupply 550W Bulk, black,
Asus M2N-SLI, nForce 560 SLI, DDR2,
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.0GHz Socket AM2
Corsair TWIN2X 6400C4DHX DDR2, 2048MB
Point of View GeForce 8800GT 512MB,DDR3
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB SATA2
NEC DVD±RW brander AD-7200A, IDE,
MS COA Windows Vista Home Premium

both systems are about 635 euro

two 3870 and xp, btw It should be AMD and AMD Ati is now amd
And 250g for harddrive is not enough..
And, I would say the first is better
NO VISTA!

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two 3870 and xp, btw It should be AMD and AMD Ati is now amd
And 250g for harddrive is not enough..
And, I would say the first is better
NO VISTA!

250 gb is enough for me
but which card is better, 8800 or the 3870?

and what processor, the 6400 or the 6000?

Hey!

IMO you can choose whichever processor, I've gone with an intel c2d 6550. It is more expensive (also the mainboard since the memory controllers sit on that) but it has lower heat production and uses less energy. Also the intel has much more 2nd level cache, this seems to help when it comes to lfs fps... But since I don't know what it exactly does I better keep my trap shut about that...
2gigs of Ram are plenty, should be alright with anything you run.
I'd also go with xp though, works fine here, no power-hungry vista eye-candy needed.
You definately can scale down the psu, 550 watts are something for sli systems. I run a 450, max power consumption (c2d6550, 2600xt, 2hds, wheel, speakers) is about 170W!! Look for a good and silent 400-450 instead.
Case and Mainboard would be a bit too much for my needs... why take an sli board when you don't use it? I don't know about what's the best chipset for AM2 boards, maybe someone else can help out with that.
I've taken a cheapass sharkoon rebel9 tower... keeps the dust out and once you've installed everything it's nice and cool. Tape the unneccessary holes and the airstream is decent (tempsload: 35°C, idle: 28).
Graphicwise I've got a good hint: Ati 4850. This one is a blast, uses 106W max, costs about 150-160€ (alternate.de) and is about as fast as the nvidia 9800gtx!!! I wonder why noone has seen this thing yet...

hope I could help a bit.

greetz

der butz

thanks

but what the hell is sli?

sli is a way to put 2 graphics cards into your rig, they communicate with each other and you get about 30% more speed out of the system. Personally I find that useless, since every month there are new cards coming out that beat expensive sli systems...

greetz

der butz

so something like this is better? i dont know about the mainboard, i just picked one. All this is 585 euro, did i miss something??? its way cheaper than the other site.


Sony-NEC AD-7200S Black

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10, 250 GB,

GigaByte Radeon HD 3870 GPU - PCI E

Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400C5DHX,2048MB

Intel DP35DP,Retail

Intel Core 2 Duo,Boxed, E6550, Sock

Sharkoon Rebel9 Economy,Zwart

Be Quiet Straight Power, 400 Watt,


btw i am not putting it together myself

As I said, I'd definately go for the 4850, not 3870 (if the shop has it), the 3870 is great too, but why not take the next generation when it's only a few bucks more?! Apart from that the system seems pretty decent and will play lfs and other games just fine.

greetz

der butz

http://azerty.nl/producten/zoek?ZOEKTERMEN=radeon+hd4850

there are 4 4850's in that shop, but the Asus EAH3870 has DDR4 and the 4850 has GDDR3 does that matter? And which one should i choose of that four?

THere is no Asus 4850 in your link. However, since the card is brand new there are atm no differences in design or specs. They all look exactly the same, even the cooler is stock ati. So choose whichever you like most.
If there were a GDDR4 card, I'd personally watch the price and take the better one if it's not significantly more expensive.

greetz

der butz

here is the asus http://azerty.nl/producten/pro ... 0/eah4850-htdi-512mb.html

so is asus better than the others?

i think ill go for this one, it has GDDR4
http://azerty.nl/producten/pro ... ci-express-x16-512mb.html

Remember, the Asus is a 4850, Club 3D sells a 3870 which is much slower, though it has ddr4!!

greetz

der butz

i went to the shop today and they gave me some advice, he said i should take the 4850

i think this will be it, its a little bit more money than the 600-700 euro what i first wanted to spend.

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i went to the shop today and they gave me some advice, he said i should take the 4850

i think this will be it, its a little bit more money than the 600-700 euro what i first wanted to spend.

Why XP on a new computer like that? You will have no DX10 at all, and XP is actually a bit more expensive than Vista Home Premium. Don't listen to the Vista bashers, it's quite a good operating system.

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Why XP on a new computer like that? You will have no DX10 at all, and XP is actually a bit more expensive than Vista Home Premium. Don't listen to the Vista bashers, it's quite a good operating system.

but do i need DX10?

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but do i need DX10?

Whats the point in having a DX10 graphics card if your not gonna play DX10 games or put only a DX9 OS on?

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Whats the point in having a DX10 graphics card if your not gonna play DX10 games or put only a DX9 OS on?

Because the available DX10 cards are considerably faster than the available DX9 cards.