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Neo-Conservative Global Domination
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Neo-Conservative Global Domination
As I was trying to fall asleep last night I realized that this forum would be a great way to reach out and talk to some fine folks that I would otherwise never have the chance to converse with...

So, this question is mainly directed at those living outside the United States:

Quite simply, does the rest of the world realize what Bush and his neo-conservative cronies have been trying to do? By that I mean, many Americans still believe the war in Iraq was/is about fighting terrorism. It's not. Many others simply believe it was about oil, and while you can't discount the fact that it is quite clear they (I'll avoid using "we" when referring to the Bush Administration as I don't agree with anything they've done in the last eight years) are going after Persian Gulf oil, the question remains why, and what's the big picture? Articles like the Wolfowitz Doctrine,

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine

and its implementation after September 11th point directly at the fact that this administration is hell bent on establishing a new Imperialist American empire. Hard to believe for many Americans but virtually undeniable when you look at the facts. Is this the majority view outside of the states? Have Americans been kept in the dark so long by our own administration that they are more willing to jump on the bandwagon of rampant nationalism rather than accepting the fact that our current leadership is better defined by fascism than democracy?
*sigh*

It's not fun to bait Racer X NZ openly like that.
#3 - amp88
It's not new.

The US has been attempting to establish or maintain an empire for over 100 years and, evidently, they're not very good at it

I think part of the problem a large number of US citizens have the mistaken belief that their country has a clear conscience; that all its wars were fought for the right reasons and conducted in a manner befitting a civilised nation. It's now becoming clear to them that it's not the case and people are realising that the US has as much history of genocide and global bullying as anyone.

Korea, Vietnam and Iraq were all triggered by the US feeling the need to either strengthen its position in the world, or prevent another country (i.e. Russia for Korea and Vietnam, and the middle east as a whole for Iraq) from doing the same. The patterns of each of those three conflicts are curiously similar, as if the US learns something, but then forgets it all twenty years later.

But perhaps the world needs a superpower to keep us all in check. The US has been a significant player in allowing Europe to enjoy 60+ years of peace, for example.

Also, it's worth remembering that the problems in the middle east are not really America's fault, historically, but being the only country with the power to do something about it, it's required to get involved. And sadly, old GWB wasn't exactly the best person for that job. In fact, he may have been the worst.
Quote from durbster :The US has been attempting to establish or maintain an empire for over 100 years and, evidently, they're not very good at it

It's worked better then Germany's attempts! Germany has had a lot of fail, they lost WWI and WWII.

BTW, this post is 100% satirical, and meant as a joke.
I view America as an Imperialist nation, but it's reasons for empire are not Imperialism, but Christianity. Bush is devoutly Christian and has launched the world into a genocidal war which he "believes" is the right and just thing to do.

The wars in the middle east are not about oil, if it was we'd be stockpiling rather than letting it all get sold off to India and China.

America has no need to conquer the world for wealth, they're doing it out of paranoia.
Quote from wheel4hummer :It's worked better then Germany's attempts! Germany has had a lot of fail, they lost WWI and WWII.

BTW, this post is 100% satirical, and meant as a joke.



Yeah well, it's irrelevant since Britain wins in all empire discussions.
Quote from Becky Rose :I view America as an Imperialist nation, but it's reasons for empire are not Imperialism, but Christianity. Bush is devoutly Christian and has launched the world into a genocidal war which he "believes" is the right and just thing to do.

The wars in the middle east are not about oil, if it was we'd be stockpiling rather than letting it all get sold off to India and China.

America has no need to conquer the world for wealth, they're doing it out of paranoia.

It seems to me that while Bush himself may be devoutly Christian, the ones really running the show over here (Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc.) are just using him as a means to connect with the religious sect of America, which evidently has worked quite well.
Quote from durbster :

Yeah well, it's irrelevant since Britain wins in all empire discussions.

That pretty much is true, actually. The amount of British territories is quite astounding. Cayman Islands, Bermuda, Virgin Islands, lots of islands. And, India used to be a British territory, as well as lots of other places. But instead of saying cigarette, they say "fag". Weirdos.
Quote from durbster :The US has been attempting to establish or maintain an empire for over 100 years...

I´m sorry but that just isn´t true. USA was running an isolation policy before WW2 which means they did their best not to meddle with other countries (especially Europe) and avoid another war. That´s why they only joined the war after Japan attacked them, even though the Brits were practically begging them since the very beginning. What happened after WW2 is a whole different thing but you can´t say over 100 years.

Quote from wheel4hummer : And, India used to be a British territory, as well as lots of other places.

USA too...
Quote from Becky Rose :I view America as an Imperialist nation, but it's reasons for empire are not Imperialism, but Christianity. Bush is devoutly Christian and has launched the world into a genocidal war which he "believes" is the right and just thing to do.

The wars in the middle east are not about oil, if it was we'd be stockpiling rather than letting it all get sold off to India and China.

America has no need to conquer the world for wealth, they're doing it out of paranoia.

While I'm no fan of Bush's religious views, this is pretty laughable.
Quote from durbster :

Yeah well, it's irrelevant since Britain wins in all empire discussions.

I think the Byzantines or Egyptians win, really.
Quote from Kalev EST :I´m sorry but that just isn´t true. USA was running an isolation policy before WW2 which means they did their best not to meddle with other countries (especially Europe) and avoid another war. That´s why they only joined the war after Japan attacked them, even though the Brits were practically begging them since the very beginning.

At the start of WW2 maybe but it precedes that. Some may argue that taking land from the native Americans was imperialistic behaviour but more relevant was the US attempting to colonialise the Philippines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine-American_War

Quote from DeadWolfBones :I think the Byzantines or Egyptians win, really.

How so?
Quote from DeadWolfBones :I think the Byzantines or Egyptians win, really.

Err don't you mean Roman ?

As with so many things in life it largely depends on which scale of measurement we use. If it's pure land mass and distance covered globally, then the British Empire wins hands down, thats indisputable. If we use a measurement of social influence, then it's a close run thing between us and the Romans. Although the British Empire was essential an empire of commerce rather then conquest.

I do however total concur with your other post
Quote from Mazz4200 :... If it's pure land mass and distance covered globally, then the British Empire wins hands down, thats indisputable. If we use a measurement of social influence, then it's a close run thing between us and the Romans. ...

Put it this way - what language are we all speaking?
Quote from durbster :Put it this way - what language are we all speaking?

A mixture of German, French, Norse and just a soupcon of Latin
Quote from Mazz4200 :A mixture of German, French, Norse and just a soupcon of Latin

But the point is, who gave it to the world?

smart arse
Quote from DeadWolfBones :I think the Byzantines or Egyptians win, really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_empire

Quote :The British Empire was the largest empire in history ... By 1921, the British Empire held sway over a population of about 458 million people, approximately one-quarter of the world's population. It covered about 36.7 million square kilometres (14.2 million square miles), about a quarter of Earth's total land area.

I think the Byzantines and Egyptians can stick 1/4 of the world up their asses.
Quote from Kalev EST :USA was running an isolation policy before WW2

Wrong.

Spanish-American war. Cuba. The Philippines. Panama. The First World War.

Among others.
Quote from Lateralus :Wrong.

Spanish-American war. Cuba. The Philippines. Panama. The First World War.

Among others.

Technically I´m not wrong. USA was running an isolation policy before WW2. But after googling I found that it started after WW1 and therefore lasted only about 20 years.
Basically they decided those europeans are crazy bastards and they didn't want to get involved in their fights. I'm sure they would of sold Coca Cola and McDonalds to Hitler without any problems, but then the Japs humiliated them and they had to react.
Quote from ATC Quicksilver :I'm sure they would´ve sold Coca Cola and McDonalds to Hitler without any problems.

They did sell Coca Cola in Nazi Germany. Even during the war. In fact Fanta was invented in Germany when they couldn´t import the ingredients for Coke anymore.
Quote from titanLS and other lib-dems on this board :As I was trying to fall asleep last night...(snip)

Awww..you socialists are SOOOO cute! Since most lib-dems have no sense of humor, this should go down well.

I just laugh at the term "neo-conservative"...socialists do like to label and partition people, don't they!...yet how quickly they forget their "fellow travelers" in Russia had the same thing in mind.
Oh, siily me; I forgot they were the "good guys" because they helped the allies in World War II, and people COPMPLETLY forget about the millions massacred, strved or murdered all in the name of collective government.

Bush Hysteria...it's all the rage! Catch it today and continue your life in paranoia!
Quote from jayhawk :Awww..you socialists are SOOOO cute! Since most lib-dems have no sense of humor, this should go down well.

I just laugh at the term "neo-conservative"...socialists do like to label and partition people, don't they!...yet how quickly they forget their "fellow travelers" in Russia had the same thing in mind.
Oh, siily me; I forgot they were the "good guys" because they helped the allies in World War II, and people COPMPLETLY forget about the millions massacred, strved or murdered all in the name of collective government.

Bush Hysteria...it's all the rage! Catch it today and continue your life in paranoia!

Erm, so what you're saying is, anyone who thinks Bush is a 'bit of a berk' is a communist.

McCarthyism still live and kicking i see..

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