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How would you class the Current F1 grid in 4 groups?
From world champion able to hopless drivers that will never impress nor get anything how would you place them?

Class them in current form.

For me:

Top group(People who can win world championships)
Kimi
Massa
Alonso
Hamilton
Vettel
Kubica

2nd group:
Heidfeld
Webber
Trulli
Glock
Rosberg(would of been in the top last year)
Kovy

3rd group:
Sutil(all though next year i would move him to Group 2)
Nakajima
Button
Barrichello

4th group:
Bourdais
Piquet
Coulthard


What do you think
#2 - aoun
Not in order in each group.

I tried looking more at performance rather then results with their car.

1st
Kimi
Massa
Alonso
Hamilton
Kubica

2nd
Kovy
Vettel
Glock
Heidfeld
Trulli

3rd
Button
Barrichello
Sutil
Webber
Rosberg

4th
Bourdais
Piquet
Coulthard
Nakajima
Fisi
1st (Drivers who most likely can deliver Championships)

Alonso
Hamilton
Massa
Heidfeld
Bourdais

2nd

Kimi
Trulli
Webber
Kovalainen
Vettel

3rd
Glock
Kubica
Button
Rosberg
Barrichello

4th
Sutil
Piquet
Coulthard
Nakajima
F1A
Ferrari

F1B
McLaren

F1C
BMW-Sauber

F1F
Everyone else.

The top 3 classes are capable of doing something. The rest fail.
#5 - samjh
It's a hard call, because some drivers have only been driving for less than a full season, others have spent their entire F1 career in mediocre or back-marking cars.

My best guess ("+" means he could be moved up, "-" means could go down):

Class A - Most able to win a WDC
1. Hamilton (almost there)
2. Massa (almost there)
3. Kubica (let down by car) -
4. Alonso (proven)
5. Raikonnen (proven) -

Class B - Possible WDC but unproven/unlucky
6. Vettel (fast but unproven) +
7. Trulli (fast but bad cars)
8. Webber (fast but bad cars)
9. Rosberg (bad car) +
10. Kovalainen (fast but unproven) +

Class C - May win some GPs but not the WDC
11. Glock (mediocre pace) +
12. Piquet (too many mistakes) +
13. Heidfeld (struggles too much with setup) +
14. Fisichella (consistent but too slow)
15. Sutil (fast but inconsistent)
16. Bourdais (consistent but too slow) -

Class D - Unlikely to win any/more GPs
17. Button (one 1 GP win in 8 full seasons) +
18. Barrichello (way past his prime)
19. Coulthard (retirement mode)
20. Nakajima (inconsistent and mediocre pace) +
First-Class:
Räikkönen
Massa
Alonso
Hamilton
Kovalainen
Kubica
Vettel

Almost:
Heidfeld
Button
Rosberg
Sutil

Decent pedaller:

Webber
Trulli
Glock
Nakajima
Piquet
Bourdais

Should retire:
Barrichello
Fisichella
Coulthard

Piquet and Bourdais are slowly slipping into the bottom category. Hopefully they can finish their seasons well.
1st
Räikkönen
Massa
Kubica
Vettel
Hamilton

2nd
Alonso
Kovalainen
Heidfeld
Rosberg
Webber
Vettel

3rd
Trulli
Button
Glock
Nakajima
Piquet

4th
Bourdais
Barrichello*
Fisichella*
Coulthard

* I think they should retire too.
cant believe Button and Barrichello get such low ratings.
Quote from NSX_FReeDoM :cant believe Button and Barrichello get such low ratings.

Well Button seems to be more intrested in the poltics then the racing and Barrichello has had a fair share of luck this season, and isn't really that quick.

Imo Nakajima is very underated, no one realises that he is staying with Rosbergs pace in nearly every race(It's hes first full season too).
Quote from Mustafur :Imo Nakajima is very underated, no one realises that he is staying with Rosbergs pace in nearly every race(It's hes first full season too).

I agree that Nakajima is under-rated. However, I think the only reason why he's kept up with Rosberg is because the Williams is a worse car than both drivers. Both appear capable of out-driving their machinery, so their performance is more a reflection of the limitations of their cars, than limitations of the drivers themselves.

Same situation at Honda.

Flip the situation over to McLaren: their cars are equal or better than the drivers, so the discrepancy between the drivers is stronger.
To be fair though is only Kovys 2nd season, ill give him Till mid 09 to prove himself or hes the next Coulthard lol.
Quote from samjh :I agree that Nakajima is under-rated. However, I think the only reason why he's kept up with Rosberg is because the Williams is a worse car than both drivers. Both appear capable of out-driving their machinery, so their performance is more a reflection of the limitations of their cars, than limitations of the drivers themselves.

Same situation at Honda.

Flip the situation over to McLaren: their cars are equal or better than the drivers, so the discrepancy between the drivers is stronger.

In Brazil last year he got a faster lap then rosberg in a much more competitive car.
Quote from NSX_FReeDoM :cant believe Button and Barrichello get such low ratings.

I know Honda is your favourite team, but you should be more objective. Button sucks and Barrichelo is getting older, that´s the truth
Quote from NitroNitrous :Button sucks

No, you're wrong. He's a very skilled driver.

It's obvious when you watch his style even in a car as shit as Honda's. He surges forward in the wet whenever he doesn't get the short end in a first lap crash or other such nonsense. He's one of the smoothest, most clinical drivers on the grid. That isn't necessarily always the fastest though, in this modern of age of huge downforce and critical tire temperatures requiring a more aggressive style than his. He has a similar problem to Kimi in the Ferrari. I'm not saying Button's the best overall driver on the grid (that's why I put him in #2,) but to deny his talent is daft.
Quote from Lateralus :No, you're wrong. He's a very skilled driver.

It's obvious when you watch his style even in a car as shit as Honda's. He surges forward in the wet whenever he doesn't get the short end in a first lap crash or other such nonsense. He's one of the smoothest, most clinical drivers on the grid. That isn't necessarily always the fastest though, in this modern of age of huge downforce and critical tire temperatures requiring a more aggressive style than his. He has a similar problem to Kimi in the Ferrari. I'm not saying Button's the best overall driver on the grid (that's why I put him in #2,) but to deny his talent is daft.

Hmm, last time i remember Rubens pwned him to hell in the last wet race
Quote from Mustafur :Hmm, last time i remember Rubens pwned him to hell in the last wet race

Button was a couple sec faster than anyone before he aquaplanned and went off.
Quote from Mustafur :In Brazil last year he got a faster lap then rosberg in a much more competitive car.

Rosberg out-qualified him by 9 places and out-raced him by 6.

Quote from Lateralus :No, you're wrong. He's a very skilled driver.

It's obvious when you watch his style even in a car as shit as Honda's. He surges forward in the wet whenever he doesn't get the short end in a first lap crash or other such nonsense. He's one of the smoothest, most clinical drivers on the grid. That isn't necessarily always the fastest though, in this modern of age of huge downforce and critical tire temperatures requiring a more aggressive style than his. He has a similar problem to Kimi in the Ferrari. I'm not saying Button's the best overall driver on the grid (that's why I put him in #2,) but to deny his talent is daft.

Huge downforce and critical tyre temperatures don't necessarily require aggressive driving styles. Kimi is fantastically fast even with his very balanced style, as long as the car is set up to his liking.

Modern F1's narrow tolerances require creativity, and adaptable driving skills to match that creativity. As the driving environment moves in and out of the optimum performance envelope of a car in a given setup, drivers need to adjust their method. Lewis, Kovi, and Kubica do it reasonably well given their lack of experience. Alonso is very gifted at it, and Trulli does it well too. Massa is terrible at it.

For some reason, drivers with reputedly ultra-smooth driving styles don't seem to be able to adjust their style to changing conditions as much as the more unorthodox drivers. Kimi and Button have supreme driving technique - very much textbook style - smooth steering, braking in good time, changing gears before committing to a corner, throttle-balance mid-corner, smooth power-up on exit, etc. It makes them perform well in the wet, because smooth styles make vehicle handling more predictable and consistent; finding and keeping the limit is simpler when driving smoothly. But emphasis on smoothness is a one-size-fits-all solution to high-performance driving. There are times when you need to step off the textbook and do something funky to get another extra 1 or 2 percent from the machine (take a look at rally drivers for extreme examples), but neither Button or Kimi seem able to do that as much as some other drivers.
Quote from NSX_FReeDoM :very objective.

Just because she is fast under the rain? Well she is not the worse of the grid, that´s sure, but a goog F1 driver should me more complete, not just goog in wet.

Quote from samjh :...For some reason, drivers with reputedly ultra-smooth driving styles don't seem to be able to adjust their style to changing conditions as much as the more unorthodox drivers. Kimi and Button have supreme driving technique - very much textbook style - smooth steering, braking in good time, changing gears before committing to a corner, throttle-balance mid-corner, smooth power-up on exit, etc. It makes them perform well in the wet, because smooth styles make vehicle handling more predictable and consistent; finding and keeping the limit is simpler when driving smoothly. But emphasis on smoothness is a one-size-fits-all solution to high-performance driving. There are times when you need to step off the textbook and do something funky to get another extra 1 or 2 percent from the machine (take a look at rally drivers for extreme examples), but neither Button or Kimi seem able to do that as much as some other drivers.

Agree
I can't understand why some people think so highly of Button, either.

IMO, he is at the lower midfield as far as driving skill is concerned.
IMO Button should be in the lowest group , he has won one grand prix. BUT somepeople might argue he has had bad cars.
Quote from pacesetter :IMO Button should be in the lowest group , he has won one grand prix. BUT somepeople might argue he has had bad cars.

But he continues to stay with honda.

not the cars fault, its his for choosing them.
Quote from George Kuyumji :1st (Drivers who most likely can deliver Championships)

Alonso
Hamilton
Massa
Heidfeld
Bourdais

2nd

Kimi
Trulli
Webber
Kovalainen
Vettel

3rd
Glock
Kubica
Button
Rosberg
Barrichello

4th
Sutil
Piquet
Coulthard
Nakajima

Does something hurt your halfAustrian heart? jeez...
Top group(People who can win world championships)
Alonso
Hamilton
Rosberg
Kubica

2nd group:
Trulli
Webber
Kovy

3rd group:
Massa
Vettel
Bourdais
Heidfeld
Glock
Fisichella
Kimi

4th group:
Nakajima
Button
Barrichello
Coulthard
Sutil
Piquet
Quote from AdonisAmaronis :Top group(People who can win world championships)
Alonso
Hamilton
Rosberg
Kubica

2nd group:
Trulli
Webber
Kovy

3rd group:
Massa
Vettel
Bourdais
Heidfeld
Glock
Fisichella
Kimi

4th group:
Nakajima
Button
Barrichello
Coulthard
Sutil
Piquet

Your joking right?

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