Quote from CB_Brooklyn :

That's exactly the attitude the 9/11 perpetrators want you to have.

Maybe you're a 9/11 perpetrator...

Sarah Palin's boob job was on the same day...

Meh.. not suffering another 2 new threads on this complete and utter tripe conspiracy trash. Threads merged with the original dross thread. Have at.

Quote from SamH :

Meh.. not suffering another 2 new threads on this complete and utter tripe conspiracy trash.

funny comming from you of all people

Are you sore because I gave some facts about F1??

Quote from Hyperactive :

lerts, making double accounts is not allowed

who is this lerts person? It's not me.

facts right...not im just a bit annoyed that you seem to believe its ok to ignore me and keep going with your nonsensical rants about the big evil fia which is about as realistic as this idiots posts

so tell me... in any other sport if youre found to have gained an unfair advantage through illegal measures your name gets immerdiately crossed out from the leaderboard and youll be banned from the sport for a couple of years... favouring ferrari much are they?

You ruined any remote possibility of anybody believing you when you posted that we purposely turned hurricane Erin around. That's so far fetched that it's not even funny.

I like my country and all but let's face it, we aren't organized enough to pull off a conspiracy this big without there being some significant evidence of such. And before you claim any evidence, I want concrete evidence, not this "opinionated evidence from so called specialists that never had a name for themselves before they jumped on the tin foil hat bandwagon" evidence.

Yes, I can name a sport where a team can get away with exactly that. F1! As long as you're not McLaren, anyway. Can you explain the differential of $100 million in fines with this incident?

http://blogf1.co.uk/2007/12/06 ... uilty-but-escape-penalty/

I agree Sam, the whole idea that the US would have been involved in 911 is as ridiculous as thinking that they would fake an attack on their own ship to get into the Vietnam war, test nuclear weapons on their own population, or that the US President and Britains PM would deliberatly and repeatedly lie to start a war with another country.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

I agree Sam, the whole idea that the US would have been involved in 911 is as ridiculous as thinking that they would fake an attack on their own ship to get into the Vietnam war, test nuclear weapons on their own population, or that the US President and Britains PM would deliberatly and repeatedly lie to start a war with another country.

I take it from this that you think that Hurricane Erin was a controlled weather experiment?

Quote from Racer X NZ :

I agree Sam, the whole idea that the US would have been involved in 911 is as ridiculous as thinking that they would fake an attack on their own ship to get into the Vietnam war, test nuclear weapons on their own population, or that the US President and Britains PM would deliberatly and repeatedly lie to start a war with another country.

Some of those happened even though you put a different slant on them. Your 9/11 theory isn't proven and until it is, you lose.

Quote from S k i p p y :

Some of those happened even though you put a different slant on them. Your 9/11 theory isn't proven and until it is, you lose.

I agree. (whereas the FIA conspiracy is proven )

Quote from Shotglass :

im just a bit annoyed that you seem to believe its ok to ignore me

Hang on, when did I ever ignore you?

lol

Quote from SamH :

Can you explain the differential of $100 million in fines with this incident?

well for one mclaren never paid any fine because in lalaland somehow not recieving any money is the same as paying 100 million

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http://blogf1.co.uk/2007/12/06 ... uilty-but-escape-penalty/

for starters its a blog so unless you find anything from autosport or any other more credible source its rather dubious... the whole renault things did fly well under everyones radar and i suspect thats because its been completely blown out of proportion by a few outside of the media which at least adheres to some standard of journalism

also:

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The data was held on floppy discs which engineer Phil Mackareth took when he moved from McLaren to Renault in late 2006.

floppy disks? seriously?
1) the only time i as an engineer use floppies at all is to collect measurement data from fairly old intruments and i rather doubts its any different in whats probably the best funded engineering firms in the world... so the only likely thing to be on there at all will be measurements which tell you how the car performs some way but not why
2) with a bunch of floppies im sure youll have enough capacity to carry the cad model for an entire screw or bolt in your pocket
3) anything he had stored in his head from working there will be far more valuable than the content of his floppies (jesus)

Quote from SamH :

Hang on, when did I ever ignore you?

you failed to answer once or twice on the other thread when i tried to call you out on your tinfoilhatiness

aww someone ignored you? Maybe Sam can post the amount of people who have me on their ignore list and your feelings will be less hurt.

No Sam, what I'm saying is that to take a stand that rely's on any Govt being 100% honest on everything is not always the best choice.

We all have different theories on events, this forum with it's huge mix of members gives a chance for people to express their widely dissimilar views with ( hopefully ) a generally non abuse response to different ideas.

I'm certainly not interested in reviving any old arguements, my life is far too busy at the moment ! We both have different points of view and that's what makes this place so interesting.

Quote from Shotglass :

for starters its a blog so unless you find anything from autosport or any other more credible source its rather dubious...

Try this for size then: http://www.independent.co.uk/s ... cape-sanction-763519.html

The Independent is pretty well the most reliable and best-respected newspaper in the UK. Few would disagree.

Quote from Shotglass :

you failed to answer once or twice on the other thread when i tried to call you out on your tinfoilhatiness

I think I have thoroughly qualified my view of the FIA and given sensible justifications in all respects, in other threads, AND in direct response to your call-outs. Did you skip over them?

And I'll reiterate, particularly in light of the fact that you seem to be devoid of knowledge of the case against Renault, or the WMC's laughable/shameful ruling on it, that YOU are not actually as familiar with ACTUAL circumstances and historical events as you SHOULD be, to be able to even HINT at a call on my "tinfoilhatness".

Quote from Shotglass :

you failed to answer once or twice on the other thread when i tried to call you out on your tinfoilhatiness

No, I answered you directly, here, and I felt substantially..

Quote from SamH :

..the FIA conspiracy is much less a theory because it's evidenced so clearly, so many times. Not just in this last season and the season before, but going back to the signing of the last Concorde agreement.

McLaren were at the sharp end of the GPWC, forming a breakaway series along with the other top teams and for Mosley and the FIA, that made an enemy out of Ron Dennis. At the same time, Ferrari screwed over the other teams by "guzumping" them all and signing the new Concorde agreement. That destroyed the chances of the teams freeing themselves from the FIA millstone around their necks and guaranteed Jean Todt as the next FIA president.

So no, it's not a conpsiracy theory, it's Mosley/FIA revenge. And everyone who still thinks that Mosley would never seek revenge is either in denial or self-delusion, or doesn't know much about Mosley, or just plain doesn't remember much of their F1 history. The question was never really about whether Mosley would pursue his arch-nemesis Ron Dennis. That was a given. The actual question was how OVERTLY he would do it. That question, for many, has been answered over the last two seasons and has left people up and down the paddock completely awe-struck.

Quote from wheel4hummer :

Maybe you're a 9/11 perpetrator...

He'd have to get elected to the US congress first, it's a requirement.

Quote from CB_Brooklyn :

With the current financial problems plaguing the United States and the world...

Looks like you've been busy spamming this stuff all over the internets: google search. :spam: :slap:

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google search.

lol - the truth is out there!

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