:lol: Yeah it was getting a tad too out of control... anyways... I can't beleive how much they're charging for this game... it's about £11 pound dearer than normal retail price!!!

Quote from BlueFlame :

I'm not gonna let anything go, I haven't insulted him, yet he finds the need to insult me, and I don't see the mods giving him a red card either (which he deserves)

Dude... you say you haven't insulted me, yet every single one of your posts seems to state that I don't know shite about games and attempts to make me look stupid... well that's an insult dude, hence why I've ended up from going from general disagreement with your statements to outright flaming and insulting you back... ok.. I know I should know better than to rise to this crap but hey... it's been a tough month and you've just ended up putting yourself in the crosshairs

Not only that, but you're generally insulting a lot of other people in this thread.... Plus I've already said a number of times that your opinion is yours and mine is mine so we should agree to disagree... it's you who seems determined to have an argument over absolutely anything... and I'm sorry, but if you're going to antagonise people in your posts, then you should expect to receive the same kind of attitude back.

Now I admit that some of my earlier posts to you were a tad harsh, and some things that were said, whilst might've come across as agressive, were actually meant jokingly. They have been taken in the wrong context and it's caused this crap to emerge... for that I apologise, I should've made it abundantly clear that I wasn't being serious with you then.

The thing is you've continuously shown your arrogance in attempting to belittle my own and other people's views... yes, YOU may find COD4 not to your liking... but there're a lot of people here who do like it and consider it to be a very good fps... your bold statements about how it's not a good game and that anyone who likes COD4 hasn't got a clue about games is completely wrong imho...

Dude at the end of the day (and this'll be the third time I've said this), you're entitled to your views and I'm entitled to my own.

However, you have to be willing to accept other people's views... I've certainly accepted the fact that you don't like COD4 and will more than likely not enjoy Modern Warfare 2, and I initially attempted to debate the matter with you, yet all that seems to have achieved is an outright childish argument, which I no longer wish to continue...

I'm willing to put this disagreement to bed now and attempt to discuss anything related to the TOPIC this thread was created for with everyone else in a constructive manner... question is... are you capable of letting this go and agreeing to disagree?

Quote from BlueFlame :

Why are you going back to posts you should have already read?

Regarding 'market research' all FPSgame producers just build a game to cater for the 'I'm gonna play a bit before I go to work' kind of geek, who is either a child or a 40year old man. Also, I'd really love to know why you seem to really have so much interest over such a BAD FPS game Call Of Duty4 is one of the worst shooters out there. It truly is bad.

And another wrong statement is made... Dude... there's seems to be only one person who thinks COD4 is a bad FPS and that's you... everyone else I've ever spoken to and known still plays it to this very day and all have said that it's one of the very best FPS's they've ever played... Not to mention the fact that it won game of the year...

It seems clear to me that you don't know shite about anything mate so you should just go away back to whatever rock you crawled out from under and continue to play with your ring peice

Last edited by [SR] Pablo, Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:05.

Quote from LFSn00b :

To be honest i've never heard about a league that allows perks on a cod match. I play CB, we use the promod which every league/ladder uses.

Yeah... it seems that PC leagues are totally different from PS3 leagues.

The problem I have with the PC version is that it seems possible to take away everything that the developers put in there for the gamer's enjoyment in the first place... it's not like they haven't got a clue what they're doing... there's this little thing called market research that every company looking to sell products to the public must carry out... otherwise how the hell are they going to know if their product is going to sell... and I'm pretty sure that if perks were considered to be dull and ruin the gaming experience they wouldn't have included them in the first instance

(pokes Blueflame... how's that for logic )

Quote from mickyc30 :

Hmmm yeah so MW2 is going to be good.

It certainly looks like it

Quote from Dajmin :

I'd never join any league that inhibits the use of what is a standard part of the game. What makes the organisers think they know better than the developers?
Sounds like unnecessary limitations to make their life easier when it comes to scoring and adminning matches.

But this is not a discussion about ProMod and whether or not anybody wants to use perks or not. If it's in the game, it's in the game. As I said before, most of them have a valid real-life training method of getting to the same place.

+1

Finally someone who gets it

ok... moving swiftly onwards (and back to the topic at hand )

The official UK release date for COD MW2 is 10 Nov 2009... however, I've just read that there will be a number of different versions available, special edition and prestige edition will also be available and all will be priced according to the version... i'm not quite sure what the difference is atm (due to this sucky restriction on gaming sites that my employers think is necessary), but I think we are all capable of looking that bit of info up for ourselves

Quote from BlueFlame :

You like Nascar, it's an even playing field and you don't find THAT boring? So why should you find the game stripped of perks boring? You don't have a consistent logic.

And Console gamers DON'T have a clue what you're talking about, you can't open up the console and set up your rates for instance, and I'm talking about /rate 25000, /cl_maxpackets 100 and /snaps 30 (on cod4, 40 on cod2 and cod1) and learning the console to game helps you alot #1 to gain an advantage in knowledge of the coding of the game and #2 gives you an advantage to boost your fps.

I watch Nascar for the awesome crashes that sometimes happen there and not for any other reason, and who cares about coding etc.... I'm not interested in all that stuff... I just want to put the game on and kill everything that moves and enjoy myself... why in the hell would I want to get involved with all the stuff that goes on in the background.. how positively mundane and boring that would be

My logic may seem inconsistent to you, but yours seems nonexistent to me. I guess we both have to just agree to disagree

So long as you're happy with your opinions and I'm happy with mine, I see no problem with either of our views... However, making bold statements such as "console gamers" haven't got a clue what they're talking about is a one way ticket to a serious flaming

You ought to be a bit more mindfull dude, there may be a lot of people reading this thread who prefer playing FPS's on consoles and you've just offended every single one of them... bad move imho

Quote from BlueFlame :

So what kind of motorsport do you watch? Caterhams versus F1? After all that you don't even have and Cod4 for the PC...... Console gamers cannot talk seriously about FPS. FPS was born on the PC and it will die on the PC.

Errr... I watch F1, Nascar, and a little F2 & 3... maybe a little MotoGP sometimes if I feel like it... what's that got to do with the price of rotten eggs and I'm not quite sure what it's got to do with this thread tbh

FPS's may have started on the PC, but these days they're multi-platform for a reason. Although I can agree that they're better suited to the PC, some of us prefer the console versions, yet that doesn't mean us "console gamers" haven't got a clue what we're talking about.

FPS's on consoles are much easier to control for some people... not everybody can utilise the keyboard and mouse config. all that easily... the buttons on the keyboard just aren't set up to be used fluently, however buttons on joypads are placed for the gamers convenience. Even though keyboard and mouse is the better config. for FPS', these days Joypads can be altered to work just as well... i.e. by turning the analog sensetivity up the joypad can turn just as quickly as a mouse... the only problem there is that it may not be quite as accurate as the mouse... again this depends on the individual's skill

At the end of the day I'm an experienced gamer... especially when it comes to FPS's. I'm quite capable of playing them on any platform and can do it competently enough... it just so happens that I tend to play better on console versions... which I see no problem with tbh

Quote from BlueFlame :

You won't find any leagues then, they are few guns disabled, and alot of things tweaked with the game and more importanttly no perks.

Well this is where the difference lies... it sounds to me like you're running COD4 on the PC... where you can run mods to take stuff out of the game etc... I only have COD4 on PS3... league matches are team based deathmatches, sabotage's etc.. but you can't turn any of the perks off or fiddle with the settings unless you set up a private match, which still allows you to use perks... if you're saying that the PC version allows you to take everything interesting away from this game then you're better off playing COD world at war as I beleive there're no perks for the online maps for that one and seeing as you seem to be the most boring person I've ever spoken to, the inordinately large maps would suit you down to the ground

IMHO a level playing field is the absolute dullest and most boring thing I've ever heard of, it doesn't sound challenging or interesting whatsoever and I'm willing to bet that most "normal" people wouldn't like it either.

Quote from BlueFlame :

What league is that, Enemy Down(worst league goin)?

The er... I'm gonna splash your brains all over the wall league (it's a new one... i just came up with it... you like?)

Quote from BlueFlame :

Go play league matches, they don't use perks there

On the contrary, do you get perks in a real war? No. Do you get extra health after so long in the services? No. Perks are d*ck, end of. I never was, never am and never will be shit at call of duty, it's one of the easiest games to play, and it bores me, and as a result I neither will buy Call of duty 5 or COD:MC2. I played the original Call of Duty and Call of Duty2, so I know how to play the damn game. Played in many teams on CoD2, Slovenian, Finnish, French, Dutch and Danish teams, and this was because of my skill. I'm not big-headed there's a hell of a-load more players that are way better than I, but these guys are getting paid for it. You just offend me when you suggest someone who has played Cod4 on a professional degree, to the professional rules, was not good at the game, or maybe this is your way of challenging me to a duel?

and you offended me by saying that I pay no attention to what I do or wasn't very good at the game because I felt that perks made no difference when compared to individual skill.... I don't wish to be rude, but COD & COD2 were completely different games to Modern Warfare and WOW, so trying to compare them is a complete waste of time... and who said anything about them being realistic???

It's an FPS ffs, grab your gun, annex your skills to help you in certain situations and blow the hell out of everything that moves... again... I have to ask... what's so dull about that... you're not making your case here mate tbh

FYI... I have played league matches... and there're definitely perks allowed there so I don't know where you've gotten that from... I've set up maps with perks turned off, but they were dull and boring and everyone left the server before the match even ended... so again I ask... how is your way better???

Last edited by [SR] Pablo, Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:47.

Quote from Mackie The Staggie :

Finally got something back from Golspie, not good news I'm afraid.

They are cutting back on coprate events at the end of the year due to lack of demand and the karts just not being up to the task no longer.

However the clerk of the course was talking about future plans which invovle a whole shake up of the commercial side of things including new karts. So I told him what we did down in Wales and was intrested in doing the same if they get the karts

If, and it's a big IF with capital letters in bold and underscored, they do get the karts he would be more than happy to allow us use of the course for a 6 hour event like we did in wales, with on site camping for the weekend (Friday and Saturday) as long as it did not coincide with any racing meets they have. Since the track is far enough away from the town, he said event could accidently run long if need be. Price would be decide closer to the date.

But thats all pipe dreams at the moment, and as much as I hate to say it, it would be better if the guys in the central belt (aka Southern Softies) look into the tracks there and see what goes. Theres bound to be a few tracks about there.

One track I've been told about is the Lochgelly Motorsport Complex, a concreate track, verly slidy and bumpy apparently, but I have not heard much about it.

Sounds ominous... have to say though... not really excited about the idea of camping in scotland... won't it be a bit cold

Quote from The Very End :

Sorry for beeing an asshat jumping into this thread. But are you discussing a 2010 meet or a later 2009 meet? Sorry for not reading it all, at work and don't know where to start in this topic.

Edit : Did read page one

and then page 2 follows, then 3 and so on and so forth :clapclap:

in answer your question they're on about the 2010 meet

Quote from BlueFlame :

Well on Cod4 when you get deep impact and stopping power, nothing can stop you blasting through all of the walls on the map and killing people. The game should be equal, whether you've played it for years, or it is your first day. You should be able to get all the weapons and not have to battle people with Juggernaut and struggle to kill them until you can get it yourself. Trust me, Cod4 without perks is a whole different game, and a better one at that.

If you're saying the perks don't make a difference to the game then you are either too bad to notice or you don't pay attention to what you are doing. Rank means jack all the rank does is enable you to get more weapons and perks, perks are un-realistic to an intense degree and it ruins the game completely. Public gaming is for people who don't pay attention, but the game is better without perks and they should have made the game without them. Like Cod1 and Cod2 you just chose your weapon and you went.

Absolutely wrong on all counts... again as I said originally it all depends on individual skill at the game.

Oh, and feeling that perks/rank don't make a difference doesn't mean that I'm bad at the game or don't pay attention to what I'm doing, quite the opposite actually. I feel good enough at the game to make perks a moot point when coming against someone with/without better perks than myself....

If your opponent has Juggernaut, it won't work if you get a headshot.

Deep impact & stopping power only works if you're extremely good at the game, as stopping power doesn't do what it says on the tin.. it's slows your opponent down slightly, but if their aim is true and their gun's more powerful, then you're dead simple as that... Otherwise, he'll get away and then you're on the hunt or killed by another player simple as.

The game should be equal??? Wtf are you talking about "equal"... if all were to be equal then it would be the dullest game ever... what's the fun in having a game where everything is of equal power etc to the rest... ???

IMHO, it seems to me that you've played COD4, got your ass handed to you in every way and decided that the game wasn't any good because you weren't any good at it

Last edited by [SR] Pablo, Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:35.

Ok I'll make this simple...

COD Modern Warfare 2 is going to have customisable perks/killstreak bonuses... customisable people... how in the hell could that be considered dull???

Honestly, I don't think you've got the point if you feel they spoil the game or make it "dull", and if you are one of these people then the answer is simple... don't play the game, don't even bother commenting on it as all you're doing is bringing a buzzkill to people who will find the game and it's perk system rewarding and interesting

Normally page 1 would be the logical beggining

Sorry... I just can't see how they can kill the game when they really don't make much of a difference... don't get me wrong, you're entitled to your opinion, but I just can't understand why anybody would think that

I mean ok maybe in Modern Warefare 2 perks/ranks may be all the difference between survival and being slaughtered... but stills... surely, that'll make everything all the more interesting

I have to disagree with you there mate... Perks and Ranks have absolutely nothing to do with individual skill... In COD4 for instance, I've been up against someone who's much higher in rank, and had a pretty solid perk set-up on, but as I had superior skill compared to him, I slaughtered him... and I've noticed the same in reverse

Absolutely not... There's no way he'll be ready to get back behind the wheel of an F1 car, not for a fair few months to a year probably... I doubt his doctor's, family or team will allow it tbh :/

Cool thanks... will give 'em a look

Hello,

I like anime too... the only problem is, I've been out of the anime scene for a very long time and haven't got a clue as to what's decent anymore... Has anyone got any suggestions on anything decent anime-wise that's out there?

It's a possibility... I doubt it though... if it's going to be a dissapointment they'd have a hard job justifying the price they're asking for it

Quote from bob smith :

cheers for getting the details jason. Have you found out what the maximum number of karts on track at once is? I agree that this track should make the shortlist for next year's event.

+1

Quote from trebor901 :

that video makes it look really really arcadey

Bah, youtube's quality makes everything look crap, but it still looks awesome