Hmm Hillclimb.
Well, I guess it would be bad form to openly promote another sim, so I'll give you a clue.
A certain other Sim is "close" (read within the next day to a year - maybe!!!) to releasing a pro-team sponsored hill climb add-on (Trento-Bondone) and associated car (or cars?).... Supposedly it's been tested by some Hill-Climb driver for what that's worth.
The sim? Well that is the tricky part since it's not LFS. Here's a clue, get a notepad ready! - It begins with an 'n' and ends with "etKar"
Once you complete that challenge, a little look at the RSC forum should enlighten you a bit more...
Toad.
Well, I guess it would be bad form to openly promote another sim, so I'll give you a clue.
A certain other Sim is "close" (read within the next day to a year - maybe!!!) to releasing a pro-team sponsored hill climb add-on (Trento-Bondone) and associated car (or cars?).... Supposedly it's been tested by some Hill-Climb driver for what that's worth.
The sim? Well that is the tricky part since it's not LFS. Here's a clue, get a notepad ready! - It begins with an 'n' and ends with "etKar"
Once you complete that challenge, a little look at the RSC forum should enlighten you a bit more...
Toad.
Giving the place back - this is fairly rare. I do it if I've screwed up somewhere but come off better. Most don't, in fact you don't seem to get a sorry that much anymore. There were some guidelines written as part of the Clean Racers Club - I don't know if CTC is still going as such, but the rules are in the LFS manual. Anyway, the giving back of an unfairly gained place is specified there along with other rules promoting harmony, fairness and ... well peace and love and all that. Sadly very few people bother with that stuff.
As for the voting restarts - that is crap. I think the people in the leading 3 positions should have their votes given greater weight - say their votes were worth an additional 10% of the people on the server or something. That way it would be unlikely to get a restart unless the leading 3 agreed with it or didn't vote at all.
Well, I don't know, maybe something along those lines - I just find it irritating that in T1 some guys try and win the race, cause a pile up, and then those that crashed want a restart. Presumably they think some miracle will happen next tme and a T1 crash will be avoided. I remember going through about 4 restarts once, just driving around the same T1, down the straight, restart. Personally, I just try to avoid a T1 crash and if it happens I just race for the best position I can still get.
Toad.
In this case I'd say you were at fault.... The LFS rules are :
"If you are being lapped by a faster car: The car behind you is consistently faster than you and has managed to travel one more lap than you have. He is about to overtake you and the blue flag is displayed to warn you of his presence. In this case you are hindering his progress and must allow him to pass you as soon as it is safe to do so (you can't be expected to yield while negotiating a chicane or high speed corner) Hold your line don't fight the other car, do not make any sudden movements left or right, ease off slightly and let him pass. He is a lap ahead of you and you are not fighting him for position. You must not hold him up."
In this case, since it was your outlap, I think it is safe to assume you were going to be slower, but even if not, you weren't in the race and he was.
So note the bit about holding the line, and no moving around. In fact, given where you describe the event occured, he could argue that you executed a defensive move rather than trying to get off the line. Having said that, there's still no need for any verbal abuse - he could have just let it go (as I would the first time or two), asked you to check the rules, or explained them for himself. Everyone makes mistakes.
Someone else implied that if the guy you took out was well down the field, it didn't matter so much. That is wrong. For someone to come first in a race, there has to be someone who comes second and so on.
The guy was there racing, it's up to him how important his position is - for all we know, he was first, but span on a corner and had a chance of getting back a reasonable position.
That's all besides the point though. Blue Flag = no fighting, yield where it is safe and hold the line. Don't brake unnecessarily or drive into unusual track positions, and on straights just lift off *a bit*.
Toad.
"If you are being lapped by a faster car: The car behind you is consistently faster than you and has managed to travel one more lap than you have. He is about to overtake you and the blue flag is displayed to warn you of his presence. In this case you are hindering his progress and must allow him to pass you as soon as it is safe to do so (you can't be expected to yield while negotiating a chicane or high speed corner) Hold your line don't fight the other car, do not make any sudden movements left or right, ease off slightly and let him pass. He is a lap ahead of you and you are not fighting him for position. You must not hold him up."
In this case, since it was your outlap, I think it is safe to assume you were going to be slower, but even if not, you weren't in the race and he was.
So note the bit about holding the line, and no moving around. In fact, given where you describe the event occured, he could argue that you executed a defensive move rather than trying to get off the line. Having said that, there's still no need for any verbal abuse - he could have just let it go (as I would the first time or two), asked you to check the rules, or explained them for himself. Everyone makes mistakes.
Someone else implied that if the guy you took out was well down the field, it didn't matter so much. That is wrong. For someone to come first in a race, there has to be someone who comes second and so on.
The guy was there racing, it's up to him how important his position is - for all we know, he was first, but span on a corner and had a chance of getting back a reasonable position.
That's all besides the point though. Blue Flag = no fighting, yield where it is safe and hold the line. Don't brake unnecessarily or drive into unusual track positions, and on straights just lift off *a bit*.
Toad.
I've seen a fair bit of whining about crashing on T1 and I've had a few incidents myself. However, more often than not, carfeul driving, leaving enough room and watching for yellow flags gets you through.
When I spec. the people whining about T1 crashes, they're often racing just as hard as anyone else and seem to feel they're the only ones with a right to get round. At best they're engaging in 50/50s through the corner, at worst they are the ones initiating the collisions.
The thing that really bugs me though is the Restart voters. Straight to the pits, and Shift+R, often meaning those that drove conservatively and now have a reasonable race on their hands get put back to the start.
Racing on publics is an art in itselft separate to closed server racing or hotlapping - just takes some thought...
Toad.
When I spec. the people whining about T1 crashes, they're often racing just as hard as anyone else and seem to feel they're the only ones with a right to get round. At best they're engaging in 50/50s through the corner, at worst they are the ones initiating the collisions.
The thing that really bugs me though is the Restart voters. Straight to the pits, and Shift+R, often meaning those that drove conservatively and now have a reasonable race on their hands get put back to the start.
Racing on publics is an art in itselft separate to closed server racing or hotlapping - just takes some thought...
Toad.
My only experience of this was on one of the bug test servers.
The race had a lot of crashing on pretty much every corner. I found it difficult to tell if this was deliberate wrecking (no one was complaining about it) or just some demolition derby fun.
Anyway I continued trying to race normally. On the second race, second lap, I had a guy behind who had overtaken me once, lost it on a corner and ended up behind me again. T2/3 at Blackwood I came out a bit hot and started to get a bit sideways. Guy behind came past on the inside of the slide and knocked me straight again Unortunately he then slid off in front of me. I straightened up, only to hear a horn and some guy swerving to avoid me. He must have overcontrolled since although he didn't hit me he still lost it and slid off.
First guy votes for a kick and types that I'm a wrecker in the chat. I didn't bother responding - what's the point? Anyway, a minute or so later I was off the server. Ho Hum, I relogged to the server, and before I could get to the track was banned.
So at least 6 of the 8 votes were by people who never saw the incident and 2 of the votes were by people involved who made an error of judgement but regardless, it was a racing incidient and certainly not an intentional wreck.
Anyway, I'm concerned about just 8 votes required for a ban. A kick maybe, but a ban is too far for most public servers (I can see the old STCC/UKCT license servers being messed up as a result). Unless it was possible to only ban after say 3 kicks in an hour or something.
Even better would be a system where a racer is ghosted with enough votes for 30 mins say. During this period they could race (from the back of the grid) but would be invisible (or at least ghosted) to others and not listed in race results and unable to wreck etc but at least able to still "participate" as such until the end of the ghost period. With this you could just get rid of the racer banning (leave that to the server admins).
This might help those who are bascially fair racers but slower or not quite so precise in their car control to get better in a "safe" environment.
Well, I guess the next few weeks will show whether the 8 vote ban works as desired.
Toad.
The race had a lot of crashing on pretty much every corner. I found it difficult to tell if this was deliberate wrecking (no one was complaining about it) or just some demolition derby fun.
Anyway I continued trying to race normally. On the second race, second lap, I had a guy behind who had overtaken me once, lost it on a corner and ended up behind me again. T2/3 at Blackwood I came out a bit hot and started to get a bit sideways. Guy behind came past on the inside of the slide and knocked me straight again
Unortunately he then slid off in front of me. I straightened up, only to hear a horn and some guy swerving to avoid me. He must have overcontrolled since although he didn't hit me he still lost it and slid off.First guy votes for a kick and types that I'm a wrecker in the chat. I didn't bother responding - what's the point? Anyway, a minute or so later I was off the server. Ho Hum, I relogged to the server, and before I could get to the track was banned.
So at least 6 of the 8 votes were by people who never saw the incident and 2 of the votes were by people involved who made an error of judgement but regardless, it was a racing incidient and certainly not an intentional wreck.
Anyway, I'm concerned about just 8 votes required for a ban. A kick maybe, but a ban is too far for most public servers (I can see the old STCC/UKCT license servers being messed up as a result). Unless it was possible to only ban after say 3 kicks in an hour or something.
Even better would be a system where a racer is ghosted with enough votes for 30 mins say. During this period they could race (from the back of the grid) but would be invisible (or at least ghosted) to others and not listed in race results and unable to wreck etc but at least able to still "participate" as such until the end of the ghost period. With this you could just get rid of the racer banning (leave that to the server admins).
This might help those who are bascially fair racers but slower or not quite so precise in their car control to get better in a "safe" environment.
Well, I guess the next few weeks will show whether the 8 vote ban works as desired.
Toad.
Depends on the pedal brand/type - what are they?
If they're CH Pro Pedals I think there is a way - can't remember it offhand but it would be a setting in the CH setup tool.
Toad.
If they're CH Pro Pedals I think there is a way - can't remember it offhand but it would be a setting in the CH setup tool.
Toad.
Yes it is a problem disseminating this info, but the posts in this thread so far show that at least some people were not aware of the blue flag rules as written or if they were, are not implementing them on the track.
For anyone else reading, yes the sticky is in this forum under flags (see link a few posts up) and a very similar text is in the LFS manual here
http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Driving_Guides
Take care!
Toad.
Blue Flag Rules Amplification
Hi everyone,
I've been racing the LFS demo for about a year now but upgraded a week or so ago to S2...
I've been using the STCC servers a lot because I like the feeling that there is a goal to the racing besides a simple win.
However, I've noticed that many people seem to be misunderstanding and possibly even deliberately abusing the blue flag rules.
As an example, it seems many faster drivers, when lapping expect a driver under Blue Flag to leave the racing line and slow down excessively in order to let them pass. This is not in accordance with the rules which say the Blue Flag driver should maintain the line, and slow sufficiently to allow the faster car to pass.
The reason I bring this up is that some of the slower drivers seem exceedingly anxious whenever the Blue Flag appears to the point that they slow down excessively and veer off the racing line. In many cases this is more risky to the overtaking driver since no one knows where they (the blue flagged driver) will go, it also means that racers under the Blue Flag are ceasing their own race for a period.
A couple of days ago, some guys took to berating one particular racer for apparently not giving way under a blue flag. I was watching the racing at the time and I watched a bit more closely after the event. The Blue Flag racer had in fact followed the rules, they'd maintained the (their) line and slowed a little to allow the faster driver to pass. However the driver doing the lapping couldn't or wouldn't pass at these times and started being rather unkind to the blue flag driver for not pulling off the line and slowing down further.
After this verbal assualt went on for about 10 mins, the other slower drivers on the track became very jittery - in fact I was able to pass many people just by tooting my horn a bit, at which point they just leave the line and virtually come to a stop (and there was no Blue Flag to boot)!
So what do you guys think, should the Blue Flag rules in the sticky be a little more explicit? For example, if 2 cars are racing and they are both being lapped by a 3rd, what happens then? What should be the penalty for people who seemingly abuse the blue flag rules in order to gain positions?
Thanks for reading!
Toad.
I've been racing the LFS demo for about a year now but upgraded a week or so ago to S2...
I've been using the STCC servers a lot because I like the feeling that there is a goal to the racing besides a simple win.
However, I've noticed that many people seem to be misunderstanding and possibly even deliberately abusing the blue flag rules.
As an example, it seems many faster drivers, when lapping expect a driver under Blue Flag to leave the racing line and slow down excessively in order to let them pass. This is not in accordance with the rules which say the Blue Flag driver should maintain the line, and slow sufficiently to allow the faster car to pass.
The reason I bring this up is that some of the slower drivers seem exceedingly anxious whenever the Blue Flag appears to the point that they slow down excessively and veer off the racing line. In many cases this is more risky to the overtaking driver since no one knows where they (the blue flagged driver) will go, it also means that racers under the Blue Flag are ceasing their own race for a period.
A couple of days ago, some guys took to berating one particular racer for apparently not giving way under a blue flag. I was watching the racing at the time and I watched a bit more closely after the event. The Blue Flag racer had in fact followed the rules, they'd maintained the (their) line and slowed a little to allow the faster driver to pass. However the driver doing the lapping couldn't or wouldn't pass at these times and started being rather unkind to the blue flag driver for not pulling off the line and slowing down further.
After this verbal assualt went on for about 10 mins, the other slower drivers on the track became very jittery - in fact I was able to pass many people just by tooting my horn a bit, at which point they just leave the line and virtually come to a stop (and there was no Blue Flag to boot)!
So what do you guys think, should the Blue Flag rules in the sticky be a little more explicit? For example, if 2 cars are racing and they are both being lapped by a 3rd, what happens then? What should be the penalty for people who seemingly abuse the blue flag rules in order to gain positions?
Thanks for reading!
Toad.
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