Previous comment was just to clarify that when you mentioned "It says tsuiso, not twin" that tsuiso is the english translation of twin and essentially the same meaning, just in different dialects.
Similar but not exact, different techniques used in different contexts, one in drift, one in race.
That point where you made it as a fabricated translation by the US as twin, i've some study on the Japanese Romanji term "Tsuiso" (or "Tsuiso hyouryuu" it's also known as by japanese) using a few translating services and they show it's meaning as "Twin rush" or "Chasing leader".
Read between the lines, i don't see why you don't see the relevance in the point. It being taught throughout the years in racing schools gives creditential and meaning. powerover as a drift technique however, is never mentioned in racing schools as a performance technique and that is im certain the relevance you are searching for.
And?........ Paste or not, i'll say it again, "Those sources, by governing that in their official rules and regulations accepted the fact that "Twin" is a welcomed and commonly used term in the world of drifting as these references are stated across from different parts of the globe."
There may not be any real specific definition on both of the terms in a official sense, although powersliding is a taught technique among race schools, not just in high performance driving but also used in defensive driving as well. The one i had attended was a three day course at skip barbers in the intermediate level, but in the 21 hour course one of the techniques taught is powersliding.This was recognised since the difficulty of overcoming understeer on a composite corner consisting of a Carosel into a instantaneous hairpin posed some difficulty getting though at an ideal speed. The challenge here was to gain enough momentum on turn-in during heavy braking, which most drivers suffered understeer after the long line of heavy braking due to the high speed corner exit into the sharp entry. What the instructers had educated us to effectivly exit out of the carosel and enter the corner was to modulate the throttle to induce a small amount of wheel spin and powerslide to force the car to slightly to beyond the ideal grip angle to give the right amount of momentum then instantly counter steer and regain traction and successfully exit the corner following an model line.
Remember those references was not from a single country but from across the globe, not just limited to the US. The basis which forms your opinion is influenced from the country you are from and not on a world-wide scale. I'm familar with the japanese using the word battle but i also know that they tend to use the word Tsuiso which literal tranlation means "Twin" or "Twin rush" in which some cases i see it being mentioned as Tsuiso battle on occasion.
They do share a common denominator that both techniques are initiated with power to induce wheel spin to slide but how the two orientations of these styles are different.
It is superficial really, for example, powerover, is centered towards style. Sliding throughout a corner at 40 or more degrees of angle, attemping to maintain or increase angle during the slide thoughout the entire track. Remember of course that drifting is a driving style where angle, speed and line come into play. Showmanship essentially.
On the other hand here we have powersliding, a race technique, while still a type of slide, in this case of powersliding the goal here is to counter understeer on acute turn-in by sliding into the entry while maintaining a minimum slip angle and keeping the speed as high as possible then afterwards at or before reaching the apex to return to grip as soon as possible taking the fastest possible speed throughtout the exit. What you mentioned in your previous posts were under assumption that powersliding and powerover are the same,
Powersliding: Race conditions - low angle, high speed, entry only.
Powerover: Drift conditions high angle, low speed, entire corner.
Point of the conversation earlier was to prove that twin is commonly used, end result my point has been proven.
Those sources, by governing that in their official rules and regulations accepted the fact that "Twin" is a welcomed and commonly used term in the world of drifting as these references are stated across from different parts of the globe.Quite common. Additionally, i do also attend drift events and speak to performing drifters and many do frequently speak of the term as well.
I'm glad you agree.
Not at all, you see that technique is taught in many racing schools. An entry oriented cornering technique used in acute corners - Right angle, haripins, double apex's and corners with increasing radiuses.
Not nessacarily, twin drift is a commonly used term in real life territories such as the US, canada, brazil, new zealand, UK as well as australia, although im not aware of most non-english speaking drift communities.
The excerpt is posted previously is from these following sources that are in regard official rules and regulations. Notice how they commonly use the term "Twin".
There are many more i can post but i will leave it here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D1_Grand_Prix
http://www.d1gp.co.nz/faq.html
www.drccentral.com/uk/seriesrulesregs.html
www.squidoo.com/d1gp
www.toxicdrift.com/toxic_info.htm
www.driftpackage.com/index/index_0603_en.html
www.drifting.com/d1_grand_prix.php
Bottom line is that it is a high quality demonstration of driver control between two people engaged in a "Twin" as is was my intention to post that following video. But just to disclose this... whether my video or yours, point of the matter is we showed what is meant to others of professional drifting.
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Again to be clear on what i said powersliding is a known racing entry technique for using the gas to spin the rear tires to corner into acute corners smaller than 180 or 90 degree turns then straightening out and correcting the angle before hitting the apex and speeding out of the corner. Drifting however, powerover uses similar characteristics with regards to using the gas to spin the rear tyres but the difference between them is that throughtout the corner powerover maintains the angle or gains more through the entry, apex and exit whereas powersliding is only used for the entry in racing to corner into acute corners like hairpins for eg.
From D1 Site Rules and regulations "rest of the tournament will be standard D1 "Tsuiso" style (Twin Drift.) The Tsuiso style randomly pits one driver against another in a 2-stage run."
Twin Drift, Tsuiso, battle ect are the same and are terms all used in real life. Just for reference
Like i said, its one of the top, not the best, just a example, but it demonstrated more corners than a single one of your video.
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As reference from Drift Bible the technique you are misunderstood with is the technique named by Keiichi Tsuchiya as "Power Over" using the power of the car to exceed tyre traction, induce wheelspin and initiate the drift.
These videos are definetly impressive but the reference i meant was centered towards a whole track of twin drifting those videos only demonstrate drifting on one single corner. The one i posted was consistenly throughout a track, then again may not be the best video as i mentioned above but still remains quite high.
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Woz: If you paid attention to my message i posted earlier "Done in Controlled conditions" the roads were blocked off on both ends the following car was the 3rd person video follower, similar to a D1 Street legal sanctioned event. And btw dont go off topic, keep it to the main point.
Just to overthrow a few myths that some ignorant/uninformed people have commented here on drifting.
First of all Drifters can race, it all depends on the skill of the driver. A well versed driver is able to handle all styles of automotive sports in this case drifting, racing as well as rally and drag. Drifting and power-sliding are very different even, drifting is where the driver is engaged in a slide but lessons the angle so there is no loss in speed otherwise called a Controlled slide.Power-sliding being the opposite description and whereas called a uncontrolled slide.
In real life, leading world-class drifters are high level racers. Here e2mustang, blackman, ozans and myself hold a number of world records in racing namely ozans holding 3 WR's, e2mustang and blackman 12 WR's and myself holding 6 WR's and yet with those creditentials we drift as well.
Secondly drifting is more of a sport based on control and style, still very difficult to do at high levels but is based on three fundamental points: Angle, Speed and line, how many degrees of angle can be achieved while still maintaining a high speed and taking the ideal line in the drift, the closer to the wall and/or closer to the leader of the twin drift the better but again is it not a race and therefore not attempting to gain a faster time and passing the opponent during the drift, Although passing can be done but is only really done if the leader of the twin drift crashes or makes a mistake otherwise if not, the following drifter will attempt to get close as possible to the leading drifter throughout the run.
Here is an example - two videos of professional drifters in a twin drift.
(2nd Video - I do not support street racing/drifting. Is used only for educational purposes and is done in controlled conditions]
One of the best twin drifts ever recorded on video - http://youtube.com/watch?v=qTs2aORTdR0
Touge Twin Drifting -
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9XgnYgKW4
After watching those videos, Now tell me how can that not be exilerating, racing still is of course but dont exclude drifting out of it as well.
In real life, leading world-class drifters are high level racers. Here e2mustang, blackman, ozans and myself hold a number of world records in racing namely ozans holding 3 WR's, e2mustang and blackman 12 WR's and myself holding 6 WR's and yet with those creditentials we drift as well.
Secondly drifting is more of a sport based on control and style, still very difficult to do at high levels but is based on three fundamental points: Angle, Speed and line, how many degrees of angle can be achieved while still maintaining a high speed and taking the ideal line in the drift, the closer to the wall and/or closer to the leader of the twin drift the better but again is it not a race and therefore not attempting to gain a faster time and passing the opponent during the drift, Although passing can be done but is only really done if the leader of the twin drift crashes or makes a mistake otherwise if not, the following drifter will attempt to get close as possible to the leading drifter throughout the run.
Here is an example - two videos of professional drifters in a twin drift.
(2nd Video - I do not support street racing/drifting. Is used only for educational purposes and is done in controlled conditions
]One of the best twin drifts ever recorded on video - http://youtube.com/watch?v=qTs2aORTdR0
Touge Twin Drifting -
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9XgnYgKW4
After watching those videos, Now tell me how can that not be exilerating, racing still is of course but dont exclude drifting out of it as well.
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Gordon you are right about there being many lines that can be driven, but there is only "One" ideal line that can be taken, this layout guides the drifter on maximising speed,line and angle as i mentioned earlier.
It would not be boring watching people take a designated layout line but this challenges them to take advantage of the guided barriers and how much speed and angle they carry through, testing all drifters to see who gets the best line with speed and angle. This is the measure of the layout.
It is the ideal line, make the best of it.
It would not be boring watching people take a designated layout line but this challenges them to take advantage of the guided barriers and how much speed and angle they carry through, testing all drifters to see who gets the best line with speed and angle. This is the measure of the layout.
It is the ideal line, make the best of it.
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Thanks MC for allowing my changes to go through the final version of the layout. This will definetly make the competition all the more exiting with drifters having more opportunities to pass with the layout i made during the Mid-Section.
Tandem at 100kmph at a 10cm distance anyone?
Tandem at 100kmph at a 10cm distance anyone?
Hi,
MC after test driving your layout on S06 for the competition, the first and last part of the layout are placed perfectly, although the middle section covering the top of the hill and downhill composite corner are slightly out of place. This modification i have done will allow drifters to run the ideal line, full speed at full angle and should make the competition more competitive.
Here i have posted the replay to demonstrate the line along the new layout (Rubbing the walls)
SO6_D1 Comp_mod.lyt
^JÉÝ^GÓ^JØIÚ^B«Ê»_SO6_XRT_14.spr
One last thing, i will also include the World Record Replay for my reference as the line i use is a "similar" line to the one i used in the WR. (Of course Acceleration and E-brake aside, although brake locations are almost exact.)
Here is the Current WR replay
D E V I L -Z-_SO6_XRT_11443.spr
Looking forward to the competition
All the best Drift participants
Should be fun
MC after test driving your layout on S06 for the competition, the first and last part of the layout are placed perfectly, although the middle section covering the top of the hill and downhill composite corner are slightly out of place. This modification i have done will allow drifters to run the ideal line, full speed at full angle and should make the competition more competitive.
Here i have posted the replay to demonstrate the line along the new layout (Rubbing the walls
) SO6_D1 Comp_mod.lyt ^JÉÝ^GÓ^JØIÚ^B«Ê»_SO6_XRT_14.sprOne last thing, i will also include the World Record Replay for my reference as the line i use is a "similar" line to the one i used in the WR. (Of course Acceleration and E-brake aside, although brake locations are almost exact.)
Here is the Current WR replay
D E V I L -Z-_SO6_XRT_11443.sprLooking forward to the competition
All the best Drift participants
Should be fun
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