Quote from MicroSpecV :

I see. No way to remove mirror unless you use a VOB mod, which is illegal in most LFS servers.

You can try to decrease the FOV so you sit further in front and have a "looking forward" view. Should bypass the mirror.

See, that's the issue. I want to be able to see the steering wheel. Somehow seeing the steering wheel and the driver's hands in my peripheral view makes it easier to control a drift.

Still to be in cockpit whilst moving the camera higher than it really is in regular first person.

Hi LFS. Is there a way to remove the mirror inside the car when you're in custom view it's really annoying and blocking from the view.

Cheers

Quote from THE WIZARD DK :

how many do you need ?

hvormange mangler du ?

can 6473 setups for all tracks do the job for you ?

then check this post :

https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1932238#post1932238

Drift/race/rally/stunt/cruise you name it. its there !


EDIT: Ps some may or may not be "private" ^_^

This post wasnt a question whether I was mad because someone denied me their setup, but more of a general thought. I do not need any new setups.

Quote from THE WIZARD DK :

probably a good idea to write for what wheel ? brand or version ?
is it logitech or what wheel are we talking about here ?

you may also try the search feature. lots of people have posted about setting up wheels for LFS .

men skriv nok lige hvilket rat du har. det er nok en god idé hvis folk skal hjælpe

Godt nytår

Naturligvis - men i denne sammenhæng er mærket på rattet ligegyldigt. Om det er G27 eller DFGT er underordnet hhv. da det er spillets funktioner der er tale om. Det kunne lige så godt have været tastaturet, som skulle binde Eksempelvis "A" til både at aktivere clutch og håndbremse.

Godt nytår

Is it possible to assign ex. your foot pedal to 2 buttons like handbrake and clutch?

I think we sorted things out without getting aggressive this time. Now I get what you mean. Btw I did not in any way imply that YOU talk down to players - it was merely a general thought of mine.

Quote from taipalsaari :

@Facee I dont know how the demo drift community is, but if you think they are jerks for not giving u set, then you dont know anything about S2 elitism yet

Very vague answer but I get your point. My friends have talked about how good S2 drifters actually are - could you elaborate on the S2 elitism part because I have thought about buying S2 recently.

/I don't think anyone's a jerk for not sharing their setup. At this point I just felt like making a thread about it and hopefully get some insights on why a drifter would do so.

Last edited by Facee, Tue, 26 Dec 2017 14:41.

Quote from MicroSpecV :

It's not that it's the unwillingness to share, but more of the point, how you ask for it, and what skill you possess. If someone joins the server, watches people, doesn't set a lap, and then proceeds to beg for a setup, I won't give him it.
Same for drift, I'd say I hold my own drifting the XRT and LX6, but if some dingus is blocking, ramming others, ruining a twin, and then asks for a setup, I won't be giving it to him.

However, if someone is a good, clean racer (or drifter), and is polite, sure, why not.

I didn't realise this thread relates to drift. Nothing was said in OP's original thread starter, besides the word "clan", which could mean anything from drift clan, racing teams, cruising groups.

I think we are all entitled to hold our setups as private if we want to. It is a racing simulator after all, I treat all racing sims as a competitive league platform where setups are crucial in any form. Even on F1 2017. Eh. Then again... I doubt everyone is a purebred sim racer, maybe I'm just speaking for myself, lol


Cheers

True in the original post I did not specify any type of setup, but if you read my responses you would see I tried directing the discussion towards drifting as most of you guys come from racing. If you read Racon's comment you would get a little understanding of how I feel about a setup and my response to his comment.

I think you are missing the general idea. I get the feeling you are not reading the whole thread. Also in my original post I stated that the way a player asks heavily depends on the answer, naturally. The issue is though, I have experienced active and good players asking for a drift setup in a polite manner receiving the answer "Sorry, private"

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I treat all racing sims as a competitive league platform where setups are crucial in any form.

Do you also imply this if you go drifting? Geez that must be annoying. The way I see drifting servers specifically the rule set kept in mind is; If you are a beginner, sure go ahead and try your best. But if you mess up and block the layout you must immediately go to pits. I don't tolerate players talking down to beginners drifting. We all start somewhere.

Quote from Racon :

I don't understand the desire to protect every last advantage - i guess I don't have the killer instinct, but the closer my competitors are to me, the more fun i'll have. So, i'll always gladly share not just sets, but also corner speeds, lines and whatever tricks i've got for a particular track... competition or not. Let's just get stuck in!

That's the spirit! We must remember this is simply a game, not real life competitive racing. We share experiences and bond, hell, some may even have started friendships.

Quote from k_badam :

That makes no sense, are you implying that he has a better social life than you or what?

Either that, or he is implying that i'm not capable of creating my own setup. To be honest I am at this current moment refining my own drifting setup so I don't know what he is on about. As far as i'm concerned it works like I want it to - Can slide but still retain its grip.

The amount of people coming into this thread completely refraining from any arguments is too damn high.

I've read plenty of the same racing perspectives now and would like some drifting ones. Like Sobis pointed out, a drifting setup is far from crucial compared to a racing one. Like I have tried stating previously, if I was to be given the WR setup I would still come last place because I suck at cornering and braking.

Quote from MicroSpecV :

If you've come to the forums specifically to create 1 thread and to prove a point to receive gratification from others then please go back to your den.

Setups are not always shared because sometimes people have worked hard to create a set that works for them. Other times, it's a team set that is only shared within a team, a bomus or incentive if you can put it that way, for joining the team.

We dislike when people join the server, witness a fast driver, then immediately request (or demand) for a set up, no matter how polite he/she may be. Especially those with horrible safety rating or those who believe that a set will make them holy and quick. It doesn't.

I only share a set up (which is also quick, but not my WR main) to drivers who have a solid safety and experience rating, and are quick, but not so quick. Meaning, those 2s off the WR, but those not in a 1:12s. This is such as I think they are the drivers who will best benefit from a good setup.

For those who spam set requests, stop. There are other options, like the lfs world page or the set up page here.


I would be happy if you'd show respect to those who actually work out a good set up, and teams who have built up a good repo. It is disgraceful at times when we get askef repeatedly for a set up, even after denying. Show some mental capability and actually try to understand the reasoning behind it rather than trying to take the piss out of the situation and say "it's just a set up". Boy, it takes time to make a setup. Probably time that you'll never have.


Cheers

Oh boy you sure are an aggressive one aren't you? Merely because I have one post does not imply I don't visit the forums? If you carefully read what I posted i'm not trying to prove a point, but on the other hand trying to start a discussion.

Additionally, what a general accusation "We dislike when people join the server ..." Surely there are new players who may play the game for only 10 minutes, but also solid players who likes to try out various setups. Surely the guy with a WR has a promising setup which should be able to either help another player out or even move them towards a different path. In drifting you have Grip, slide and in between. Sometimes the fastest guy in the server might not have a setup for your technique thus the setup wouldn't be ideal. Again, your thoughts are primarily focused on racing which bothers me that you don't pin point anything from this perspective.

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Show some mental capability and actually try to understand the reasoning behind it rather than trying to take the piss out of the situation and say "it's just a set up".

Mental capability? I'm not taking the piss out of any situation. Nonetheless, isn't it just a setup? Or is it some trophy you've acquired by spending countless hours on just to create the perfect setup? Well, for your safety I certainly hope not.

Quote from RC-Maus :

What me make not share set is people joining server no hi or something imediatly ask set Hehe I go like i don't hear them

Let them learn to say hi

I agree like I mentioned in the main post. Players demanding or impolitely asking for your setup is almost a straight no. It's not very hard to ask nicely.

Quote from Huskii :

Welcome to racing sims! Setups exist and can give a driver an edge on the other drivers, why would they want to give that edge away?

As I have tried to explain very carefully. Handing over a setup does not incline you're handing over your skills and techniques.

On the other hand, I see this post is primarily racing players rather than my intention on getting thoughts from drifters. As I mentioned earlier, in drifting there really isn't a competition thus no disadvantages by sending your setup. Naturally, in racing setups and "car tuning" matters a lot on corner speed etc.

Quote from lucaf :

Maybe the "restriction" is the same energy wich makes you fighting hard for your position until last curve, instead of letting the opponent pass you and enabling him to have some good feelings about passing you.

I somehow managed to get your point but then again I don't. Maybe because I was mostly referring to drifting setups
but still a setup doesn't drastically increase your skill which still applies for racing I suppose. If the best LFS racer gave me his setup I would still be terrible without the necessary practice.

//Edit I now get your point from a competitive perspective. Drifting on the other hand is not based on competitiveness thus a setup being private is just ridiculous if you ask me.

Last edited by Facee, Mon, 25 Dec 2017 21:28.

Quote from lucaf :

Emotions are welcome!

I think using the answer "private setup" is just bit more friendly that just saying "no, I don't want to share my setup".

There are many reasons why someone doesn't want to share his setup, and I think we should respect the answer we get.

Nonetheless by this post i'm trying to dig deeper into the emotion of a player wanting to keep their setup private. Like I argued in the original post - It does not hurt your skill or humiliate you any way. So what's the restriction?

Quote from MousemanLV :

I'm certain someone who worked hard on their set for GTws wouldn't just give it away would they..

Could you explain to me the abbreviation GTws?

Hello LFS community. Today I would like to discuss the emotions and thought behind a "private" setup.

First of all, what I think when someone says "Sorry, private setup" is that it's just a setup

Second of all, it does not affect your own skill, it's nothing personal you're giving away like your password.

Third of all, it does not humiliate you or make you look bad in any way.

Why would you tell a person asking politely "Sorry, private setup"? Nonetheless if someone says "Give me your setup" I can understand why you would say "No"

ps. Especially clans doing this is just arrogant. Like, join our clan and receive our private setup.