The racing line is mostly accurate, In my opinion its just the physics of LFS ins some track parts that allow a faster line like some of the chicanes in Fern Bay. These can be taken continuously at unrealistic speeds without braking anything, time and time again.

When driving to improve my laptimes I have it off after a while, since somehow you unconsciously focus on it and don't push it any further. But when racing I leave it on to help me know my exact position on the track. Somehow only the visual feedback from the computer screens don't really convey that information/feeling properly.

I primarily use the latest stable Ubuntu x64 (Karmic Koala at this time). For LFS I use Windows XP x64 but will definitely switch over to playing on Ubuntu when it is feasible.

While we're on it, when I drive the BF1 I prefer to drive without TC. But how should one shift when going out of the corners at for instance a South City Track? I try to to smoothly press the accelerator until max revs in low gears (gears 1,2,3) since when going full throttle and revs coming into the yellow/red band there is just wheelspin. Especially when still cornering a little.

Would it be better to just shift up in lower revs when power isn't that high because you don't need it/can't put it on the tarmac?

Sidequestion, IRL F1, why do they have so many gears if you'll have wheelspin in 2nd/3rd gear? To save the clutch?

So while browsing the LFS league forum, there is no overview if they are sprint/normal/endurance races, tracks used, car(s) used, dates and times races take place, if they are free to join or have other requirements, subscribed competitors and so on.

Therefore I would suggest a standard format with this information in the league section. If its desirable to have it on the index or in a corresponding league sub-forum I don't know. I'd just want something to get an overview of what is on offer.

Like: Any car on any South City track, XRR,FO8,BF1 at Kyoto Oval.
Dislike: XFG,FXO,FXR,XFR,UFR,UF1 on any track.

I have always found that one of the problems is that there so many race servers running the same damn thing, and no exclusive or matched pairs cars of LX4/LX6/MRT/RAC/FZ50/FO8/UFR/XFR/UF1 (MRT seems to be there now lately).

It would be nice if server admins put a bit of thought into what they offer on their server instead of the 20th clone of a succesful server and being one of the 400 empty servers.

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erm, can you imagine 30 fox cars going into 1st corner of AS2 with heavy rain? i dont think it will work to be honest.

It doesn't work now in perfect conditions either...

This might actually be cool for Demo. Imagine a crasher rams>airbag deploys>car unsteerable>write on the airbag "Wanna race for real? Buy LFS S2!" .

- Maybe peole will learn to drive cleanly (A bit of a big bump=bye bye from race)
- Crashers will get irritated hopefully because they can't keep doing it over and over (as long as mid-join race is turned off)
- Not sure about the FBM, airbag? Brake parachute? Airplane Ejector Seat? Warp engine till wall is hit?

Liked the race, though am not sure if its the race or that the good BBC commentators have given me an alternative to the Dutch commentator Olaf "HOLY F**K! Mol(quoted from tv guide for truth). Damn was I glad to get resonable commentary and not having to hear him overloading any sound system between me and Australia over a drivers fart. Everytime he's on and something happens I'm inclined to run to the shelter out of fear all the satellites come crashing down to earth due to malfunction.

Well about the race, Kubica at the end, well what do you expect? All Polish people drive like this, so its perfectly normal for him. [if you didn't get it, its humor with a ring of truth to it]

Button was boring to look at but am happy for him. Liked Hamiltons drive since it looks he drives more aggresive overall. To me he somehow seems to approach the kerbs more aggressive, and when going out of a corner these steering corrections while still having throttle on, I find that great to look at. Buemi surpised me, though he didn't get alot of airtime, seems like someone with a brain and not getting to cocky in his first race. Sad for Trulli, that penalty was too damn harsh, it wasn't his fault there was a damn safety car but now he gets punished for this by losing so many places.

Edit, and does anyone else notice that Ferrari's make a different sound then other cars? It sounds like the revs are fluctuating when shifting, while in other cars its a "clean" transition from high rev to almost instant a lower rev.

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menantoll,
Yeah I meant bite-point in relation to force-feedback, that you don't feel it in the pedal. At least not in the cars I have driven, even not old cars. (from the 80's era).

I don't think there is a "bite point" in a real car, at least not in mine. Maybe you interpret as the car suddenly goes forward as a bite point, but I can't say I feel anything in the pedal of my car. But maybe in other cars it would be different?

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And seeing as I cant get teh speed up to compete online, whats the point of getting in teh way of everyone else.
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As long as you respect blue flags, no sane person has a problem with it. Besides, even if you drive relatively slow, the number of laps on most servers is low so if you do not spin or crash chances of being lapped are very low. So try it, in my opinion watching and participating in a race with other decent drivers is the most helpfull.
And somehow you just go faster when under pressure of others, at least in my case. Pressure also leads to more errors on your part but that is educative too.

^Thanks LFSn00b thats why I mentioned it^

One can safely assume that using a joypad or not is more bound to the car and not the track which is evidence for the fact he meant the BF1 which wasn't stated by OP.
So the OP should state with which car he is driving, from the laptimes and being a new driver I think its reasonable to believe its a XFG or XRG, but as long as we do not know for sure it could as well be the BF1. Would also be informative if he tells us what controller he uses.

And dadge: use information before going to conclusions instead of the other way around

The man is not talking about a BF1 I believe, rather XFG or XRG. But it should be clarified by the OP otherwise we're just speculating.

Anyway, what I find helpfull is taking a few days off from LFS, you'll start fresh again with new ideas on how to tackle a problem without being contaminated by your old perceptions and beliefs about what is best.

As said, looking at replays is a good thing, but personally I learn more from watching fast online players since they also get very good lap times without driving near a perfect line. It shows more were you have some freedom in manouevring, what the consequences are of not following the ideal line and how they handle it.

So drive a few laps, look at other fast drivers till you get some "aha!" moment and try it yourself. As said smoothness is important, but as a new driver on a new track you do not know the shortcuts and quircks of a track which also save massive time. By shortcuts I mean how to make a chicane or something more straight by going massively over the curbs etc. I do not mean taking a country-side tour to save time.

And one of my problems in the beginning with BL1 in a XFG was that I couldn't go over curbs, since my Anti-Roll bars were to stiff, so if you have the feeling that your car is being magnetically repelled from them soften them. Took me alot of time to figure out so maybe it helps.

I have the same feeling about the forums as the OP and some others. I only read these forums to get some much needed information or to find out about the state of LFS, things that might get changed etc. There are sometimes good topics with a nice discussion in them. There are offcourse topics with people who can't write good english, those that have a BrEeZaH!! writing style. It has to be said that most of these topics seem to be about NOS and body kits etc. While I myself do not really see a problem about discussing this and get more irritated about the writing style I believe it is the OP's freedom to bring these matters to the table in any way he sees fit to the best of his abilities in writing and thinking style. If you do not like it, do not read it and go drive in LFS which is a bit short on racers instead of bitching in here that there is an invasion of NoObS! set out by some higher power to destroy you and your LFS experience.

And this is the most irritating point and biggest turn-off about these forums for me. The fundamentalistic religion about LFS that the more vocative persons on these forums hold. The Crusade against anything not fitting their religion, where some for instance in the suggestions forum even take on the role of LFS Lead Director/Semi-God and tell others that their suggestion does not fit in the LFS development time schedule, instead of discussing said suggestion. What I mostly see is flaming and as said a Crusade against the OP. Even though the OP's suggestion might not fit into the spirit of LFS, instead of being rude with one-liners, or even worse, showing a lack of vocabulary, overuse of emotion-icons one should try to explain why it does not fit into in LFS.
If the 20th topic in a day about body-kits rises redirect them to your previous response, copy-paste whatever. In these days where you can copy/paste, link etc... saying that one gets tired of all these topics is not valid anymore. It just takes a few clicks, not significatly more than posting a flaming emotion-icon.

Stemming from this is the Elite-Club of individuals who seem to believe they as a group are something special, an army of holy knights fighting on the frontlines against the infidels from the big and monstrous world of competing race/drift/drag/tuning games. Instead of trying to learn from other games/sims, thinking about a concept or construct from another game/sim and what it might mean for LFS, or as a starting ground to work out something different they get flamed. Even in a nice OP after a word like NFS, in my perception it seems the bloodlust gets activated and the virtual torches and guns get brought to the frontline.

In my opinion as an endresult these persons are more destructive to the LFS community than the "NFS NoObs". I can understand that they don't see it this way, and they think they are justified in behaving this way, but please stop and use your brain for one moment. Not everyone percieves LFS the same way as you, they hold different values, get excited about different things, have another culture, are raised in a different way, have another age etc.....
So if you want LFS to be your special niche game in which you braviously Crusaded against the big monsters instead of racing and enjoying LFS as it is, a racing game in development with developers that steer their own way and not yours exclusively, please go on and waste your time, alienate new players and shrink this already relatively small community.

Would a 1997, Honda Civic 1.4s 3-door Hatchback set be possible for the XFG with the right spring and shock settings?

I'm with The Very End, he expresses it the way I feel also. It undermines not only hotlapping, but competitive online systems like CTRA, which I use a lot. Often I suspected some kind of magic going on with the pedals of some other drivers. I often look at faster drivers, with pedal display on to learn from them.
But lately after watching some drivers blipping the throttle on downshifts, exact max rpm at downshift everytime(right amount of pedal pressure for blip), perfect upshifts etc. Ok maybe I sucked.
Only to see some of them when accelerating after complete throttle lift off which was instant and application of throttle was also instant. Nothing in between like the blipping. Get's me completely furious when seeing they are only using a mouse.
So here I am fighting with the pedals to be competetive and some tards with a mouse apply the perfect amount of pedal pressure at shifting. No problem perse, but AFAIK a mouse has no analog buttons. Needless to say any form of competition is useless this way, and makes me sometimes wonder why we even F****** drive online.

Ok you should get a riser card or a higher computer case. But both won't bring you much. If you get the riser card plus a 3d PCI accelerator you'll spend a fair amount of money and be watching a slideshow of LFS or any other 3D game thqat demands a little 3D power.

Or get a higher case and buy a PCI 3D accelerator, but you'll spend as much money, wast a lot more time and nerves and still be watching a slideshow.

So with this PC it's a no-go technically and economically. You should instead look for a second hand PC or a budget PC to play LFS or any other 3D game for that matter, as long as it has the right specifications. But don't expect supersmooth gameplay with busy online racing in LFS.

Are you sure you haven't given your F-keys another function, something thats possible with AFAIK some/most logitech KB's with a key?

Does it have an AGP slot or only PCI? Check that first. I wouldn't be surprised if there is only a PCI slot available so your choices will be limited or not worth the cost. Also some desktop computers have a riser card attached to the motherboard so you can mount a card horizontally. Otherwise you have to buy one, which can be expensive. Placing it vertical probably won't fit, even if it is a low profile card.

So it seems you might need another PC considering the cost versus efficiency of adapting your current PC to run 3d apps.

Well, I always try to be conservative, not ramming others off the track or landing myself on some piece that isn't grey. How I go exactly at it depends on the other drivers. But mostly it is avoiding T1 carmageddon, or when I feel i'm up to it just taking my rightfull place. When wanting to overtake someone, I try to make 'm as nervous as possible to provoke a mistake. Meaning I try to be a mirror filling adversarie wandering of to some dead corners of their visibility just to add to the tension

The world has come to an end. In SS1 the ingame CTRA menus don't work anymore.

On the topic on endurance day: I enjoyed it a lot, but could something be done about the random number of laps? You never know how much fuel to take. Or is there some way to view the number of laps for the next race?

Though I'm gonna miss the "FUEL !@#@#%" messages from podium place drivers when they are stranded at 2/3 of the race

On the topic of FXO tires: I find they keep having reasonable good grip even if a bit overheated, but you lose all grip in corners if the outer part of the outer tire is (nearing)red, even if the middle and inner part are green

I suppose thats because if you make setup changes like camber, your suspension has to be repaired(which often has an impact on camber) to make the changes to the camber. Otherwise it might be easy to get a f**** up camber due to suspension damage be undone by changing just the camber in the setup. Now that would be a bit unrealistic in my imagination to change a camber setting in tenths of degrees precise using tangled bars and metal. So I suppose its realistic.
But does it also happen if you only change tire pressure?

I'm with kirmy, a lot of newcomers are on the server including me. Lots of them are not accustomed to the car and tracks and don't have a proper feeling for it in combination with their setup. Making setup changes mid-race means you won't finish for points. And making the races longer makes it a long sit with a car that doesn't feel right. Racing single-player doesn't work for me at least, since lap times will only improve to a certain point. But racing online you see the different lines you can take, where others brake, accelarate, turn, what their tires do etc... And maybe more important you are in some way "pressured" to go a little bit faster here and there when that car in the mirror gets bigger and bigger, or the one you view through your windshield.

You don't have this info ready for grasp or apparent pressure when racing single-player. Hot-lap replays are almost useless when it comes to racing or getting a feel for driving the car in a race.

Though I like they are a bit longer now, means you have to watch your tires a bit. But if you want really long races you should go somewhere else. Like more professional racing servers where the standards are a bit higher and people have the time to finish a long race. Most people don't have the time to sit there on end, they get disturbed while racing by roommates, family members, pets etc or just want to get a drink and take a break.