Water under the bridge Sam - it's all good though. I appreciate your help and consideration. Now if I could just get this setup stuff down.

Quote from niels1 :

Well getting the accused also fill out a form would make life so much more difficult for the admin. The replay can tell everything a admin must know. They can select every view in each car and they can see if you applied any break or went on full throttle. They look at it in a objective manor. Becus they view several times from different angles. Report system works.

I will say this much - the "sorry by actions" is NOT a good tactic when the silence of the accused does not mitigate a report (it is apparent that the text of all conversation is embedded in a replay). If I had of vocalized/typed what has since transpired between me and my accuser, the report would not likely have been filed.

Thus, the "let the other guy go if you have wronged him" advice has its flaws. Intention is hard to measure and I understand that all an admin (who is a volunteer, I realize) has to go on is what is apparent and empirically evident in the replay. Any extenuating circumstances: a distraction by looking elsewhere, an inadvertent key/view change (for instance an accidental SHIFT + TAB will make my view switch to another driver - this can easily happen when you are trying for CTRL + TAB to change player view/track view information - can't be accounted for. Hence, despite the true cause of the accident, an admin will piece together what is evident in the replay and then consider the position of the accuser. Should the accused, abidbing by the "don't talk about it, just let the guy pass you" rule, say nothing to explain the situation, the admin, in my case, sees the accuser's point and issues a ban.

There are alternative explanations for what looks like a blatant punt:

1) screen saver kicks in - I've had this happen with LFS several times before I went ahead and turned the screensaver off.

2) inadvertant key stroke (viz. my explanation of CTRL + TAB vs. SHIFT + TAB above)

3) Some other system/machine/peripheral related issue

With no foul language or repeated contact between an accused and accuser, there are alternative explanations which lead me to believe that a newbie's inexperience can cause crashes which seem otherwise malicious.

I realize these volunteers can't be nannies, but when a mid-term or full ban is afoot, it would seem as though some recourse would be available. I will give it more time, assuming I ever make it back, to get a feel for the system, but I've clearly seen that the ball CAN BE is in the accuser's court.

Don't mean to sound ingrateful, it's a cool and FREE service, but it sucks for a new guy to sit out for a month due to what I still maintain is a misunderstanding.

T-

Understood, except, I believe there is a disconnect between what happened and what the admins see. In any case, it is "he said, she said" at this point and I've made peace with my accuser, not much else for it. Thank you for illuminating the matter here for me.

If you don't see the point in appeal then I'll just suck eggs. I am certainly going to be an active participant in this system now that I've suffered punishment under it (read: there is an incredible amount of nonsense on level 1 servers).

T-

Quote from SamH :

You've created a password for MyCTRA already, so filing an appeal would normally be a case of signing in at www.raceauthority.com/myctra. However, since the 7 day appeal window is closed now, you'll need to PM do0f on this forum or email at ukct.net if you want to appeal an existing warn. Bear in mind that the penalty is determined by the CTRA admin, not the person that reported you.. and having watched the replay myself this evening, I don't think appealing is going to get anything changed. We take that stuff really seriously. Entirely up to you, of course

Thanks for that... since I have a semi-harsh "MID TERM BAN" I am unable to enter a CTRA server to avail myself of this process. What I am missing is my means (a link or something) to do the appeal. While my making peace with the reporter is not my contingency, I can't seem to find anyway to make contact, after-the-fact, to engage an admin on the matter.

I can see why Antman filed on me, and from his view, I would have done the same; but I think hearing from the accused might be a fair option. Since our behaviors are transparent, my past behavior (being a newbie) would show that what happened was an outlier.

In any case, I seriously dirgress...

SamH, or anyone who cares to answer, what recourse is there, after-the-fact, for appeal? I am affraid I am not grasping what to do on the CTRA site (despite the fact that it is a very well-done site).

Thanks,

T-

Quote from Christopher Raemisch :

A person "files" a report within LFS using the $? command and filling in the correct information.

Once the race is completed the driver filing the report logs on to MyCTRA and releases the report for CTRA to look at.

The CTRA admins review the incident described in the description and hand out penalties or words of advice for any problems seen.

A penalized driver has the option for an appeal after this stage and another admin will review the incident.

Well Antman,

The system does work because you've got me banned. I tried to do the "sorry by actions" thing during our race (march 8th), but rather than talk, you file (which is your right).

So, I wouldn't complain too severely.

Clearly, the replays can show a mistake, accident, or misjudgment from a multitude of perspectives.

In any case, I'll go ahead and apologize, publicly, as our incident clearly bummed you out.

I think the lesson for us newbies to learn is that you have to keep your head down and your cool in order to make it past the initial server levels.

T-

P.S. how does this appeal system work anyway?

Last edited by tarball, Wed 19 Mar 2008, 08:54.

Hi, I thought it would be appropriate to ask this in this thread...

How do I appeal? I guess I don't understand the CTRA site too well. I've been given what I feel is a severe judgment, but rather than whinge here I'd like to use the appeal system.

How is it done? Is there a link on my report or something?

thank you...