I agree with you. The quality of the G25 wheel and pedals are great but the shifter is nothing but a plastic POS; I never use it.

BTW, my first computer was an Apple ][+ so I know what it's like to play with keyboard only. But when playing racing games nothing beats a wheel. I still believe my G25 was well worth the investment, though now I'd much rather have the G27, even if its just for the extra buttons on the wheel.

Last edited by Willem Moolenaar, Wed 27 Jan 2010, 21:17.

Or sell some of your wife's jewellery and get the G27. It has a better H-Shifter. The one that comes with the G25 is plastic rubbish.

http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_153b.html (bottom)

Write Richard a complaint letter. Make it as good as the one below and you'll be sure to get his attention:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tra ... ger-complaint-letter.html

Best complaint letter I've ever seen!!!

I see. Thank you for making that clear. Appreciate your answers.

Thanks again and kind regards,
Willem

Hello,

A friend of mine has gotten the LFS demo and I (S2 Lic) would like to race with him online.

So I switch back to the Demo mode and later switch back to LFS. It doesn't ask me for a password when I switch back to lisenced.

My question is do these "unlocks" count against your max unlocks per week? Which is 2, right?

Thanks for your help.

I had something similar. Also on Conedodger server with AS National. I came on the server and one of the [CD] guys was angry at somebody for pushing him off the track. They settled it with words, after which another [CD] guy said "no ban?" As if he regularly banned people.

Next race i accidentally nudged him just the slightest and he was backwards forwards on the track. Within a few seconds I was banned for a day (no vote).

This happens ALL the time on servers. I've gotten used to it. If one of the "clanned" drivers hit you, you're lucky to get a sorry, but even looking at them can get you banned.

In my opinion this is really hurting the online community and making LFS look bad.

Again, I'm not complaining. It just happens and I've gotten used to it. But it's certainly not fair.

OMG, mate. That's really terrible. Just you know that those comments say more about the people saying them than about you.

Not sure what a good solution is but I'd make sure the Admin of the server is informed.

Good luck.

Why don't you send him a PM and ASK?

Seems to be trendy to post info about somebody one suspects is cheating.

Let it go, mate. There will always be cheaters. Posting their info won't make them go away.

Monthly / 3-Month / 6-Month / Yearly
$20.00 / $50.00 / $90.00 / $156.00

I'm glad LFS doesn't charge 20 US$ per month. Take a 2 week vacation and you've lost have your money for that month. Looking at the yearly contribution, I can only say OUTRAGEOUS.

I love LFS and wait patiently for any updates.

Quote from Inouva :

At least y try to help

Not like you , posting spam

Well put Inouva. Besides, your spelling is fine and you're getting your point across. Wait till you see Dac's spanish spelling. ;-)

Quote from Kdovi :

The thing that I was trying to say.... etc.

Yes Kdovi, that seems to be a acceptable explanation / answer. I would be inclined to agree.

I'm not expecting perfect AI with the next release, or even the release after that. As long as it's on the to-do list of the developers I'm satisfied.

Cheerio.

Quote from Yisc[NL] :

Scawen already stated that AI have to be improved before S2 goes final. So it has the attention of the developer and will be improved in the future.

Didn't read that statement from Scawen, but it sounds great to me.

Quote from Kdovi :

No, but calling it Online Racing Simulator on the homepage does.

When I said that I was refering to your answer. I should have been more clear. Personally I don't care what they call it. Online LFS does play like a charm. I'd like to stick to the OP's subject, the quality of the AI.

In the end, an answer like Yisc[NL] would suffice. I'm not attacking LFS so people don't need to get so defensive about it. Thanks.

Last edited by Willem Moolenaar, Wed 27 Aug 2008, 16:24.

I have to agree with the OP. As much as I *love* LFS, the AI simply sucks balls. They will even go out of their way to ram you off the racing line. I really hope AI gets some work in the future.

Saying that LFS is an online simulator is rather childish if you're asking me. If that be the case then why include AI? Does having the posibility to play online make it an Online simulator? What's rFactor, or GTR then?

I'm not an experienced racer like many here. I enjoy racing against the AI, but not in LFS. In LFS it can be extremely annoying to race the AI. My biggest wish for LFS would be improved AI.

Actually, there is an easter egg in the game. I'm sure of it. The other day I was racing and the car broke down, so I parked it in the grass. When I got out I saw something that looked like an egg. However, it was on the other side of the fence so I couldn't get to it. And it didn't seem like any egg... It appeared to be a GOLDEN egg.

I'd like to investigate a bit more before I actually tell you all where I saw it. I have a feeling that egg's going to make me rich.

Quote from 5haz :

There is a way to get onto the roof of that big grey bulding next to the Blackwood car park.

But I can't be bothered to show you right now (I really should be asleep, curse you insomnia!), plus it takes ages of attempts to get it right.

I'm sure nearly all of you know how to do it anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNDC7kMMuZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAifPn-9-z0

Cheerio.

Last edited by Willem Moolenaar, Mon 25 Aug 2008, 07:09.

I've had a Black Momo and now a G25. My black Momo had problems with the pedals, better known as the "5 percent bug" if I remember correctly.

The G25, however, is something else. The feel of the wheel and pedals are simply amazing. It's worth EVERY penny. Don't expect too much of the H-Shifter as it doesn't have the quality feel that the wheel and pedals do; it's a nice gadget but not much more.

Get the G25 you won't regret it.

I'm not sure the G25 will be FASTER than the MOMO, but it will give you greater immersion in the game. Althoug I like the look of those watches why don't you just check your cell-phone to see what time it is or ask somebody.

Hi friends,

Wanted to give some feedback regarding this issue I had...

I had been struggeling with the 720 deg. of turn because I lost about 1 second on my laptimes in Blackwood when switching from 200 deg.

After having tried for a couple of weeks I decided it would be better to switch back to 200 deg. again and uninstalled the Logitech drivers.

However the experience was downright awkward. And immediately I missed the sense of realism with 720 deg. of turn so I switched back to 720 deg. again.

At that point I thought I should try a custom setup from one of the more experienced people. I found "racer's" setup and am using that now on Blackwood.

Worked miracles for me as I recently did a 1:07.940 on Blackwoord. I'm currently 12th on LFSWorld. What a wonderful game!!!

Thanks all for your input.

Kind regards,
Willem Moolenaar

Last edited by Willem Moolenaar, Mon 18 Aug 2008, 11:21.

I've done exactly that... set it to 720 deg. of turn. It does take a bit of getting used to but certainly offers greater realism. Last night I did notice my times slowly becoming a bit better.

Thanks for all your input. Have a good weekend.

Kind regards,
Willem Moolenaar

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Hello helpful people,

I actually gave this a try yesterday. I mostly race the FXR (iirc) and I believe I saw that had a steering lock of 540 deg.

Nevertheless I followed all instructions and set the steering lock to 720 deg. As said before I was steering like a mad man and it appeared to be a bit over the top and unrealistic.

I then tried to put all settings to 540 deg (Windows C/P, and LFS settings). The amount of turning seemed to have droped slightly but it was still too much for me and still didn't seem very realistic either, in my humble opinion.

I have a slumbering RSI issue in my right shoulder and all this steering hasn't done it any good. I may have to revert back to the 200 deg. of turning just because of the health issue.

Thanks very much and a good day to you all.
Best regards,
Willem Moolenaar

EDIT: One more question if I may... As said I drive the FXR and it has a lock of 540 deg. Now if I want to switch to a car with 720 deg. lock, I need to exit LFS, go to Windows C/P and change the degrees of turn in the Controller setup AND then I need to make the same changes in LFS and start it up via the Profile manager? Did I get that right. Seems a bit troublesome to me.

Last edited by Willem Moolenaar, Tue 22 Jul 2008, 13:18.

Quote from Technique :

I'm not sure what the difference is between the wingman app and the logitech profiler, but since the logitech profiler came with the wheel that's what I suggest using.

The Wingman app is actually the name Logitech gave the application. Wingman contains the Profiler. One of your screenshots had the "W" in the Titlebar and there should be a "W" in your system tray aswell.

Quote from AndroidXP :

The FF probably only felt different because you didn't have 900° steering rotation before. But anyway, I'd give Technique's settings a try, or these.

Yes, I realize now what you mean. I only had 200 deg. of turning before. It will take some tome getting used to but I'll give it my best shot.


I've got to give it to the LFS community. By far the friendliest and most helpfull of all. Last time when I did my first online race and people saw I was struggeling with my setup people where falling over each other sending me their setups.

I'll give this ago again. I'll reinstall Wingman Profiler and try some of the settings here. I'll report back soon.

Thanks very much. Kind regards,
Willem

Last edited by Willem Moolenaar, Mon 21 Jul 2008, 10:36.

Thank you Technique. I'll give those a try some time later this week. I'm a bit unhappy and upset with the Wingman Profiler software. Spent so much time setting it up and trying to make Force Feedback in LFS feel a little like it did before I installed the Wingman software, that I've now basically have my stomach full of it. It's currently no longer installed on my system, and to be honest with you, for now that's the way I'd like to keep it.

I have taken note of your screenshots and excellent explanation. Once the 'pain' has settled a bit and my 'wounds have healed' I'll give it another go, and try to be more patient.

Thanks again for helpful comments and screenshots.

With kind regards,
Willem

Oh boy! Took LFS out for a spin with the Wingman software installed, and everything felt different. Forcefeedback didn't feel as realistic anymore and my times plumeted. Also it appeared that I needed to make 90 deg. turns on the G25 to make even the slightest turn in LFS; I almost dislocated my shoulder.

I didn't know how fast I needed to uninstall Wingman. I'll settle for the cockpit wheel going bezerk instead.

Best regards,
Willem

Quote from SparkyDave :

you ar looking for a window that looks like the one below,(old pic but relevant).

Thank you SD for going through all that trouble. No, I did not have that screen you have posted. My G25 Controller Properties look completely different. Once I installed the Wingman software I got that screen. I tried uninstalling the Wingman software to see if the Game Controller options in the C/P would remain, but they did NOT.

I'll try stopping the Wingman software from starting up through the registry and see if the options still remain in the CP and post results here.

In any case, installing that software and setting it to 900 deg. did solve my problem in LFS. The wheel now turns in sync with the cockpit wheel.

Thanks very much for all your input.
Kind regards,
Willem

Quote from bbman :

See, that's wrong... If you can't adjust your lock, it's probably at max - 900°... Set that in LfS and it should be synced...

I put the max deg. of rotation in LFS to 900 deg. from day one. Since the wheel can turn 900 deg. and LFS support this value through the slider I thought I would be logical to put it on 900. Somebody else suggested I try the 720 deg. value. But, as said, that didn't change anything for me. Wheel compensation has always been on 1.

Cheers,
Willem

Quote from SparkyDave :

You DO NOT need to install the Logitech Profiler, its rubbish
You can change global wheel-turn in the windows CP advanced config tab

I agree with that. I can tell already by that awful "L" icon in the system tray. But I don't use it at all either so I chose not to install it anymore.

I cant seem to find that tab. When I go to the Windows Control Panel > Game Controlers > G25 > Properties. I only see 2 tabs: 'Settings' (where I can calibrate), and 'Test' (where I can only test the wheel and buttons).

Did you install the Logitech drivers for the G25 and then uninstall the Profiler? I've extracted the drivers myself and use them in an unattended Windows installation, so the Logitech download is never run.

Quote from AMB :

why would it matter if it's not synced?

Because it's making me nervous. Really, even the slightest tinyest turn on my wheel will make the cockpit wheel turn huge amount of degrees. So when I'm making a turn and making many slight corrections on the G25 you will see the cockpit wheel go bezerk. It's a bit distracting and doesn't look very realistic.

Quote from Not Sure :

First of all, turn off the ingame wheel.
Second, using less rotation is unfair.

I'd like it with the wheel on; it looks nice.
How is that unfair? I'm not making the G25 turn less, I just want the cockpit wheel to turn the same amount of degrees I turn my G25 wheel. Not sure I understand why that's unfair. (no pun intended) Please explain.

Quote from Woz :

So set you G25 to 720 in LFS and in CP and then wheel comp to 1 in LFS. Now LFS will make the wheel turn match in ALL cars.

900lock in low end road cars has been requested and I believe is on Scawens work list although requires incompatible patch and new driver animations before it can be done.

I've set the degrees of turn in LFS settings to 720 degrees, but that didn't help any. I cannot change the degrees of turn in the Windows Control Panel > Game Controllers because I guess I'm missing a tab due to not installing the Logitech Profiler.

I'll try installing the Logitech drivers and uninstalling the profiler. Let's see if that gives me more options.

@ all

Thanks for your input people. I very much appreciate it.

Have a good day.
Willem

Last edited by Willem Moolenaar, Sun 20 Jul 2008, 11:38.