Quote from DragonCommando :

I have my brakes in LFS set so they can lock if I completely cram the pedal to the floor, however, I still outbrake other drivers because I don't lock, I get to the point of almost locking, and don't go any further.

Same for me, but they are not easy to lock in a straight line if i brake smooth, but i could if i wanted to.

Hmmm... I said i should shut up a few posts ago, i will try again

Quote from DragonCommando :

Locking the wheels is bad, but not being able to bring them to the point of locking is worse.

Locking your brakes is FAR worse. On a good day you will end up in a sand pit with dirt everywhere, if not you are more likely to hit a armco and destroy your car. Locking the brakes is a drivers nightmare...

Quote from DragonCommando :

how about this question, have you ever driven a race car?

If a car can't lock its brakes theres something wrong, every car I have ever seen never mind driven has been able to lock it's wheels.

I haven't driven a race car in real life, but I've done my research. If a car can't lock it's brakes it can't effectively hit the threshhold. You have to have a threshhold in order to cross one remember, so if you can't lock, you can't tell if you are getting full traction out of your tires durring braking. and no amount of tweaking will help that, because you are going to need to apply more pressure when the brakes fade, meaning if you can't lock to begin with, you won't get anywhere near optimal on hot brakes.

Yes, a few.

No there is no wrong with the car. If your stock tires are 205mm wide for example, and you mount 255 racing slicks on that same car i can garantee you that you cant lock your brakes at 150km/h.

Many classes deamand that you use the stock brakes, so this apply in REAL racing.

As i said, if the car has a good setup you shouldent be able to lock all your wheels at HIGH speeds. Locking the wheels are bad, you know that?


I will not continue this discussion because you dont know what you are talking about and have already made up your mind.

Quote from DragonCommando :

But a proper race setup CAN lock the wheels. Any race car driver will tell you that.

What car? What brakes? What speeds? A proper race setup should not lock your brakes if your not upsetting the cars balance! Of course you can lock the brakes while trail-braking or going very slow (in genaral 150km/h is not considered that fast in racing) etc, or if you slam on the pedal without giving the car time to balance the weight to the front wheels, but thats all about skill and brake balance.

You are refering to all these "race car drivers", who are they? They cant be that fast...

You really have no idea of what you are talking about. Get out on a track and test and you will see.

You cant compare a F1 car with a road car. Not one single part will be the same. The brakes on a F1 are extreme. They are made for stopping the car/spaceship from 400km/h with a downforce more than the weight of the car, of course you can lock them at "only" 200km/h!

Whats a "race car" to you? There are many stock classes that uses some kind of R-compound tires that you cant lock at 200km/h with that given car.

Have you ever driven a car with R-compound tires or racing slicks? What tires did you use? How wide? What car?

I can see that you have never ever driven a RWD car on a track.

You said your dad could lock his brakes at 140Km/h - what tires does that car have? A R-compound tire or a slick is very hard to lock at high speeds. Its doable if the brake balance is way off. An old street tire is not comparable grip-wise...

The ultimate downshifting IS heel and toe, no question about it. But you can be fast without it. It depends on how much power the car has and how hard the clutch is. If you have a 400bhp car and a unsprung puck clutch you HAVE to heel and toe. Not only will you ruin the balance at corner entry, you will also destroy the driveline, especially the cluch will overheat and wear extremly fast. I cant heel and toe yet but i HAVE to learn it. When i AutoX and track my car irl (Rx-7) the rear is all over the place when downshifting. But as i said, if you have 120bhp and a stock or realtivly weak clutch its no problem.

LFS IS realistic! I have been driving racesims all my life, but nothing comes close to LFS. I have learnt more by playing than driving irl. I bought an Rx-7 last year, just so i could do some autoX and some other events. The car is very easy to handle and with R-compound tires the car feels VERY VERY much like driving LFS. Manoeuvers like this is nothing because it reacts exactly like LFS: http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/Minigotte/Sladd.jpg And i dont get paniced when the car starts to slide when cornering at 150km/h +. I just do as i do in LFS, and vice versa...

I have also tried a Force Dynamic (http://www.force-dynamics.com/video.html) with high force settings. That beats EVERYTHING! The game was GTR, i know, but it feelt realy nice! If it had been LFS it would have been exactly like driving irl, im not kidding. You must feel the outside forces if you want it close to 100% realistic, so dont blame the game for not feeling the forces enought. Buy a Force Dynamic and you will never complian again

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