Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :

I didn’t say there’s no difference, i said "do not see a strong difference" and i do not said that is not okay, there need to understand what I mean.[...]

There is less grip, but also notable is the grip falloff at high slipangles. I'd estimate the grip difference from blue to green temps is around 5%. In terms of front/rear grip bias, that's a lot. It's enough to make a car that was neutral with all cold tires, understeer when the rears are green and fronts still blue.

Quote from Scawen :

1) I don't know much about drifting so I don't really know what is most important. Would it be a problem, to limit the GTR cars to 50 degrees of steering? How about with the road cars?

Quote from Pfortnoks :

65 degrees gives you "safety", because in competition, you don't use max. angle, but it helps to save mistakes. let's say, you are drifting with 45 degrees angle and you need to make correction. 50 degrees wouldn't be enough.

60-65 on the inside and about up to 50 on the outnside, might be enough? Ideally there would be checks for the max for both clearances, causing the ackerman and lock sliders to refuse to move higher or at all. Example,
50deg/50%, clears
50deg/45%, back of inside wheel doesn't clear
50deg/55%, front of outside wheel doesn't clear

Quote from Scawen :

Are the extreme angles more or less important when the power is higher?

The biggest factor, especially with more power, is the way and degree to which the tires lose grip from heat.

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Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :

in drifting on road cars i do not see a strong difference between cold tires and in the optimum temperature of the tires

I do. Driven with a sim wheel, they have a bit more grip and respond better in various situations.

Quote from ELDemon :

Hi Scarwen, interesting post, commenting on the xrg personally this car barely has enough power to push out the rear tires, mostly it requires heating to high temperatures for the rears to even kick out for the xrg

Depending on the ackerman setting, the XRG does have enough power to drift 1st-2nd gear on <60 road normals. The larger rear tires and fronts being cold (they usually are) hurt it most.

Quote from Pfortnoks :

https://www.wisefab.com/resour ... out-ackermann-in-drifting

High ackerman is generally more stable, but it can be deceptively numb. Low ackerman is more communicative, and can be more demanding.
Less is better for low power, low speeds, tight spaces, or maximum response/grip.

Quote from Scawen :

2) When I say "it seems OK at this angle" I am assuming 100% Parallel Steer. One complication here is I think the Parallel Steer needs to be enforced at such extreme steering angles. Is that OK, do all drifters always use Parallel steering anyway?

I do.