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This is really getting annoying, really annoying.
Haven’t been able to play for over 2 months now.
This has to be straightened up, either it’s an ISP/routing problem, game problem, lfs server’s problem, whatever, but this is, unacceptable, we need an answer to WHAT is causing this problem, so we can ALL resolve it
if it’s not the guest info is the track data, either way the game is not working in multiplayer mode.
I think that for a game I paid for, one would have expected more support than what it is in this thread.
Haven’t been able to play for over 2 months now.
This has to be straightened up, either it’s an ISP/routing problem, game problem, lfs server’s problem, whatever, but this is, unacceptable, we need an answer to WHAT is causing this problem, so we can ALL resolve it
if it’s not the guest info is the track data, either way the game is not working in multiplayer mode.
I think that for a game I paid for, one would have expected more support than what it is in this thread.
its simulated surround
i understand , but because you like to use the volume so low and headphones, doesnt mean all the people have to do same.
besides with speakers you can turn the volume higher, i like it more.
im back to one of my initial points, is about user options people.
the game should come with, stereo, surround and heck even binaural.
i dont want to let anyone off the boat.
but i feel ive been excluded because there is no surround at all.
besides with speakers you can turn the volume higher, i like it more.
im back to one of my initial points, is about user options people.
the game should come with, stereo, surround and heck even binaural.
i dont want to let anyone off the boat.
but i feel ive been excluded because there is no surround at all.
its not about volume, you cant be always using headphones.
its not the same man, they are opposite worlds (speakers and headphones)
and i have a good pair of studio headphones, but for gaming i want to use my speakers.
besides i dont want to hurt my hearing.
and i have a good pair of studio headphones, but for gaming i want to use my speakers.
besides i dont want to hurt my hearing.
you cant say so what because people dont even have speakers, thats the minority, the majority uses speakers.
you said it, it will not be the same, the real solution is real surruound sound, and stereo.
you said it, it will not be the same, the real solution is real surruound sound, and stereo.
slow down the performance? that is a joke right?
and it doesnt need to be downsampled, there are separate audio tracks for stereo and for 5.1.
you can only take the ADVANTAGE of binaural with headphones, for the speaker users it would be like using simulated surround via the receiver.
and it doesnt need to be downsampled, there are separate audio tracks for stereo and for 5.1.
you can only take the ADVANTAGE of binaural with headphones, for the speaker users it would be like using simulated surround via the receiver.
binaural is only good with headphones, you cant simply exclude all the people that dont use headphones.
its not the same, because using the simulated surround is, well, simulated.
i never liked it.
but i got to tell the truth, with headphones it works really good.
real surround, in discrete channels its the way to go for total inmersion.
i never liked it.
but i got to tell the truth, with headphones it works really good.
real surround, in discrete channels its the way to go for total inmersion.
i understant but it cant be the same with 2 speakers than actually being there, it cant possibly be the same, apart from the muffling.
i mean, speakers are something very directional, and having 2 of them only worsens the situation.
while in reality, muffled or not, helmet or not, the sounds its just there, im not talking about directionality any more, i think its more like an ambience thing, dont you think? obvously there has to be some primitive directionality in the sound, and the feeling of the sound, that cannot be reproduced in stereo (unless serious speakers), but with a subwoofer, the bumps in the road, all that can be much greater, and not an unrealistic way by any means if done right.
i mean, speakers are something very directional, and having 2 of them only worsens the situation.
while in reality, muffled or not, helmet or not, the sounds its just there, im not talking about directionality any more, i think its more like an ambience thing, dont you think? obvously there has to be some primitive directionality in the sound, and the feeling of the sound, that cannot be reproduced in stereo (unless serious speakers), but with a subwoofer, the bumps in the road, all that can be much greater, and not an unrealistic way by any means if done right.
haha, but you cant be serious, i mean i have a good sound system, and unless i put headphones, the sound in your videos while watching them is totally unrealistic, it loses all its ambience.
you cant be serious or you have some serious hearing problem :P
you cant be serious or you have some serious hearing problem :P
i will when i can.
but here is an example, look at your videos driving, recorded from over your head.
well, if you tell me that racing sounds like that then you got me.
that sound is plain stereo.
but here is an example, look at your videos driving, recorded from over your head.
well, if you tell me that racing sounds like that then you got me.
that sound is plain stereo.
im sorry but i cant take your word, because no matter what you have in your head, the sound will still travel, by bone, flesh, plastic, whatever.
and if you dont have good positioning, it is still there, and you can hear it, but not coming from front of you like with 2 speakers.
its all around you, in the vibrations.
i cant make it clearer, sound waves are just there, all around you, infinite sources, road, tyres, ambient, motor, people, even if you cant hear them, they are, and they affect your perception over the other sounds or vibrations you feel.
with stereo speakers they only come from 2 sources, its not that hard to figure out that the more speakers you have , with well implemented mixing, will give you a much richer sound experience, and more realistic, in any possible way.
im not saying that surround must be implemented to hear the positions of the cars, im saying that it must be implemented in a realistic way, a way that it will translate the sensations of real driving, the kind that with 2 speakers is impossible.
and if you dont have good positioning, it is still there, and you can hear it, but not coming from front of you like with 2 speakers.
its all around you, in the vibrations.
i cant make it clearer, sound waves are just there, all around you, infinite sources, road, tyres, ambient, motor, people, even if you cant hear them, they are, and they affect your perception over the other sounds or vibrations you feel.
with stereo speakers they only come from 2 sources, its not that hard to figure out that the more speakers you have , with well implemented mixing, will give you a much richer sound experience, and more realistic, in any possible way.
im not saying that surround must be implemented to hear the positions of the cars, im saying that it must be implemented in a realistic way, a way that it will translate the sensations of real driving, the kind that with 2 speakers is impossible.
basic left, right, front and rear
it wouldnt be any processing waste, it would be more realistic and it would not be a waste of processing time.
if other games get it bad ok, but lfs can get it right.
it wouldnt be any processing waste, it would be more realistic and it would not be a waste of processing time.
if other games get it bad ok, but lfs can get it right.
the best scenario for that type of positioning is headphones, with speakers is not the same case.
do you know how they achieve that with headphones?
the brain interprets signals from both ears, analyzes volume, arrival time and many other things, thats how your brain perceives positional audio.
that barber shop test, is making the brain think like you are not with the headphones.
but do it with speakers and its not the same, on top if it if you do not close your eyes and there are more noises in the enviroment it will sound even worse.
without headphones the only option is more than 4 speakers, if not, then its useless you make positional sound only for headphones.
that sort of positional sound for headphones its like activating game dolby pro logic in my amp, not even close to real discrete channel surround.
a modern day game like lfs with all its great features, must have surround sound, well implemented.
if life for you is basically stereo i think you dont know what you are saying, or you have never payed attention to life, and sounds.
for the ones that do NOT want 5.1 well, they are fine now.
but we are a lot of us who want it and the day it will come, the stereo fanboys will be using surround.
do you know how they achieve that with headphones?
the brain interprets signals from both ears, analyzes volume, arrival time and many other things, thats how your brain perceives positional audio.
that barber shop test, is making the brain think like you are not with the headphones.
but do it with speakers and its not the same, on top if it if you do not close your eyes and there are more noises in the enviroment it will sound even worse.
without headphones the only option is more than 4 speakers, if not, then its useless you make positional sound only for headphones.
that sort of positional sound for headphones its like activating game dolby pro logic in my amp, not even close to real discrete channel surround.
a modern day game like lfs with all its great features, must have surround sound, well implemented.
if life for you is basically stereo i think you dont know what you are saying, or you have never payed attention to life, and sounds.
for the ones that do NOT want 5.1 well, they are fine now.
but we are a lot of us who want it and the day it will come, the stereo fanboys will be using surround.
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stf, i dont miss the point, i understant totally what you mean, but again we are back to the point i started, in lfs the sound is not designed to sound like with a helmet, its done to sound like a road car, in fact, there are road cars in the game.
i dont want surround sound because the sounds arent like through a helmet, i want surround sound because it will be more realistic (if well implemented)
lets put it this way, for you tristan, it must sound the same to hear a race recorded with a stereo mic in the cockpit than actually being racing there? i dont think so.
i think the thing here is the way that surround would be implemented, i mean it could be unrealistic like you say, but if used right it can be much much better.
my point is that stereo will never, give you the realism that surround sound (well applied) can give you.
i dont want to argue, and i dont hold the total truth, but tristan, ive been watching your videos and they are great man, but i dont understand how do you say that stereo is more than enough :S
i dont want surround sound because the sounds arent like through a helmet, i want surround sound because it will be more realistic (if well implemented)
lets put it this way, for you tristan, it must sound the same to hear a race recorded with a stereo mic in the cockpit than actually being racing there? i dont think so.
i think the thing here is the way that surround would be implemented, i mean it could be unrealistic like you say, but if used right it can be much much better.
my point is that stereo will never, give you the realism that surround sound (well applied) can give you.
i dont want to argue, and i dont hold the total truth, but tristan, ive been watching your videos and they are great man, but i dont understand how do you say that stereo is more than enough :S
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ok, but the fact is that the sound isnt designed to sound like with a helmet, so there is no point in what you are saying.
surround sound is no extra stuff, if you are so negative about it, well thats your problem my friend.
and no, i dont need to race to know how my body works, ive driven a lot of vehicles in my life, and i assure you that it will never be the same, helmet or not, using 2 speakers vs 2 ears & brain.
i think you need a break from yourself
if you like hearing all through 2 speakers then thats fine, but dont try to make other people think like you.
youre not helping anyone with your negative comments.
the thread is about 5.1 sound, if you hate it, then why are you here?
surround sound is no extra stuff, if you are so negative about it, well thats your problem my friend.
and no, i dont need to race to know how my body works, ive driven a lot of vehicles in my life, and i assure you that it will never be the same, helmet or not, using 2 speakers vs 2 ears & brain.
i think you need a break from yourself
if you like hearing all through 2 speakers then thats fine, but dont try to make other people think like you.
youre not helping anyone with your negative comments.
the thread is about 5.1 sound, if you hate it, then why are you here?
man you are so obstinate.
first of all, in lfs you dont HEAR the sounds like with a helmet, they sound like a normal enviroment.
second, you are the only one that says that reality is stereo.
third, i dont need to race to know how my body works.
if you want stereo, ok, live with it.
we are a lot that we want surround sound in the game.
so if you are gonna keep with that argument over the helmet, is invalid, because in lfs the sound is not designed to sound like with a helmet. period
and if we are gonna talk about stupid garnishes that harm the realism, that option to play music in the game is so reeeeeeal isnt?
give me a break man
first of all, in lfs you dont HEAR the sounds like with a helmet, they sound like a normal enviroment.
second, you are the only one that says that reality is stereo.
third, i dont need to race to know how my body works.
if you want stereo, ok, live with it.
we are a lot that we want surround sound in the game.
so if you are gonna keep with that argument over the helmet, is invalid, because in lfs the sound is not designed to sound like with a helmet. period
and if we are gonna talk about stupid garnishes that harm the realism, that option to play music in the game is so reeeeeeal isnt?
give me a break man
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dont think so, reality is reality and is not stereo.
i think you have a wrong concept of "reality"
if for you surround sound is unrealistic and 4.0 or 5.1 cant offer nothing more than 2.0, lets leave it there.
if for you surround sound is unrealistic and 4.0 or 5.1 cant offer nothing more than 2.0, lets leave it there.
thought that, but its not the solution, because is not a problem to have front speakers in front.
what is a problem to me is that an actual simulator doesnt even have the most primitive 4.0 sound.
i dont think same, it must be regulatory that the pilot must hear through the helmet, im gonna search for it.
you cant drive deafened.
and what about motorcycles
even if it is like that you wont hear well, you will not lose all hearing, it will be impaired but it will be there, and it will not convert it to sound like 2 speakers front your face, that no way.
well, browsing the net i found that most quality helmets have some hearing refinement design.
so it shouldnt alter the sound waves SO much.
again, stereo will never achieve realism.
you cant drive deafened.
and what about motorcycles
even if it is like that you wont hear well, you will not lose all hearing, it will be impaired but it will be there, and it will not convert it to sound like 2 speakers front your face, that no way.
well, browsing the net i found that most quality helmets have some hearing refinement design.
so it shouldnt alter the sound waves SO much.
again, stereo will never achieve realism.
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distort yes, make sounds in the back sound in front no in any way.
thats the reality, there is no such reality as stereo speakers, they dont simulate the true thing.
you really think james that the ears and brain is the same as 2 speakers in front of you?
there is SO much information in sound entering the brain in the reality that i dont understand how someone can be so obstinate about surround sound in place of stereo sound.
because, we are talking about realism here, and realism demands surround sound.
it is FAR from being a "garnish"
and most of all, its about user choice options, not what some like.
for the lovers of stereo use stereo.
for us that want surround we use surround.
if lfs someday gets surround sound, i think that all the people that bitched about it will have to stick that up them ****
and will be saying "man this is great"
thats the reality, there is no such reality as stereo speakers, they dont simulate the true thing.
you really think james that the ears and brain is the same as 2 speakers in front of you?
there is SO much information in sound entering the brain in the reality that i dont understand how someone can be so obstinate about surround sound in place of stereo sound.
because, we are talking about realism here, and realism demands surround sound.
it is FAR from being a "garnish"
and most of all, its about user choice options, not what some like.
for the lovers of stereo use stereo.
for us that want surround we use surround.
if lfs someday gets surround sound, i think that all the people that bitched about it will have to stick that up them ****
and will be saying "man this is great"
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tristan, when you play lfs you dont wear a helmet.
or maybe, but thats just your choice.
you sound so obstinated.
ok how about when you are not in the pack? middle race, someone comes from behind.
in lfs as it is, you WOULD hear it in front, because front speakers are that, frontal.
is that simple, but the car is not in front.
in reality the case would not be the same, and i dont need to be racer to know this.
the only thing i can think of is that you play with headphones or you put your front speakers to your sides (wich neither is realistic but sort of better than in front), that way or you are getting no realistic position of sounds while in game, period.
if your speakers are in front, then ALL sound comes front to your face, wich is, unrealistic.
even at the situation you talk about, sound will be coming from all angles, not just front of you, i dont care if it is soooooo much noise that you cant distinguish.
stereo sound is not realistic in a simulator.
i dont agree but dont want to keep arguing, just hope that lfs gets surround sound.
again sorry if my english is bad.
and by the way, all cars in lfs dont go to 140mph at 7000rpm, so ther are different situations that the one you describe, that is not the only case, but you talk like it is.
or maybe, but thats just your choice.
you sound so obstinated.
ok how about when you are not in the pack? middle race, someone comes from behind.
in lfs as it is, you WOULD hear it in front, because front speakers are that, frontal.
is that simple, but the car is not in front.
in reality the case would not be the same, and i dont need to be racer to know this.
the only thing i can think of is that you play with headphones or you put your front speakers to your sides (wich neither is realistic but sort of better than in front), that way or you are getting no realistic position of sounds while in game, period.
if your speakers are in front, then ALL sound comes front to your face, wich is, unrealistic.
even at the situation you talk about, sound will be coming from all angles, not just front of you, i dont care if it is soooooo much noise that you cant distinguish.
stereo sound is not realistic in a simulator.
i dont agree but dont want to keep arguing, just hope that lfs gets surround sound.
again sorry if my english is bad.
and by the way, all cars in lfs dont go to 140mph at 7000rpm, so ther are different situations that the one you describe, that is not the only case, but you talk like it is.
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