Neither of the last two posters haver read and/or understood my original post.

Despite constant careful driving and loads of getting out of the way on blue flag...sooner or later I get a fast hotlapper than rams me out of the way and blames it on me. They assume wrongly that if I slow them down at all I have broken the rules...."FAIL"

The blue flag does not always appear with enough warning and I have had several situations where I have had no flag at all...

I am carefully getting out of the way ASAP but when you get little warning (which does happen with a much faster car in multi class race) I have had many faster drivers going for an insane overtake in an unsafe place with no regard to the blue flag rules.

This has then resulted in totally unfair abuse toward me and that is what this "noob" has had enough of. I have no problem with being new or slow but I have had enough of rude and thoughless "fast" drivers that lack skill when it comes to overtaking people that are slower.

I repeat. A whole day of racing on IRacing with the same driving style and the same ability and the same regard for the blue flag rules and all I have had is polite "thanks" as I move out of the way...

Not one person on IRacing has tried to dive down the inside due to my slowness. They wait until it is safe for both of us and then get on with their race.

Sorry to all you die hard LFS fans, but it is a great game that I have seen the worst of over the last week or so and I have had enough.

I know there will be lots of people that hate me for this thread so sorry. If you could see replays of some of the stuff I am talking about you would agree with me and be ashamed of some of the fast drivers that think they own the road.

Back to IRacing for me and I will not be checking this thread again. I am glad I started it though as I found out about IRacing and have had lots of people agree with me.

Read my original post carefully before replying to this.

I have spent all day playing on IRacers and I have to say that the attitude on that game is spot on.

I have not had a single problem despite it being my first day. I have a had a few 20 lap races and not once got in a fast drivers way becuase when it came to it they overtook me in a safe place and all I got was "thanks" from fast drivers as I was using blue flag rules correctly.

I know IRacers is much more expensive, but the difference in my enjoyment cannot be measured. I even came 6th in one race and was battling for 5th while being lapped and had no probs at all.

The attitude of some fast drivers is at fault on LFS in my limited experience.

Thanks for the replies, I'm going back on IRacers for some more clean racing without a single bit of grief from anybody.

Just realised that some of this has happened in a multiclass server as mentioned by another reply.

This has meant that the difference in speed between me in the slow GTI and the leaders is massive. I have sometimes had no blue flag at all and been hit by a much faster car and been ripped into for being slow and not getting out of the way.

I intend to check out some of the servers mentioned above. I am sure I find some of you guys online and have some good races.

Thanks for helping me with all the above advice.

See you online.

thanks for tip about mirror will try it.

That is what i meant by "track position". We basically agree on when it is ok to overtake. The problem is this...

I am talking about an insane move by a faster driver on a blue flagged car in an attempt to lose no time when coming across a back marker.

e.g.
When you dont have "half a car" and you still go for it, it goes wrong and you blame the slow guy.

It happens in most races to me at the moment...the fast guy is often to blame but I get the grief for it.

Shame.

thank you...thank you...thank you.

I have calmed down a bit now.

When I first posted I just expected a load of grief, but it seems I may not be talking complete rubbish.

I feel better now

mostly supportive...thanks.

How do i check replays from different angles and other driver point of view?

thanks

I expected a lot of grief for this post and I guess it has started...

"fail" not sure what you mean

You have to have track position to over take even if you are a faster car and the car in front has had a blue flag. You cannot simply be faster, dive down the inside and expect a blue flag car not to turn in.

This is exactly the point. Blue flag does not mean that you have to put it in the gravel to avoid all other drivers and you are not allowed to turn in.

If the faster driver had track position and I turned in and there was a crash then you would be right, but I am talking about a faster driver getting it wrong and going for an overtake where it is not safe and then blaming it on the "noob"

Faster car has to pick his way past blue flagged car carefully, not smash his way through at all costs on the first corner and then blame the other guy!!!

I race in the real world and I guess that is why I too think differently when it comes to blue flags.

A lot of guys on LFS seem to think that if they have to slow down at all or move off racing line at all then the slower blue flagged car has broken the rules. Not the case.

<flame suit on>

...ducking for cover...go easy on me, i love the game.

Thanks for the polite reply. I have sometimes joined mid race, but when I race often people join in part way through. The server can turn off mid race join if they want to...i assumed if it was allowed on that server then there would be no problem?

Any servers for newer racers that are not total crap but a bit slower? I dont want to race AI or 1 person on a crappy server.

Cheers...

Please do not see this post as me starting an argument...i am an adult and want to know how to get the best out of this amazing game.

I love racing games and am pretty good at them, but new to lfs online. I like to play sim games on hard difficulty. I enjoy racing fair and hate it when people ram or drive wrong way or try to spoil race for people. Lfs seems to be full of serious racers so it is defo the place for me.

I am however new to lfs and hence not as fast as most people online. This means that when I join an online game it takes me a while to get to grips with the car, setup, track, layout, rules of server, etc. It is a hard game and good/experienced drivers must have been new at one point?

All my problems seem to come from blue flag issues… L

Here are some of the blue flag rules from lfs website:

“In this case you are hindering his progress and must allow him to pass you as soon as it is safe to do so (you can't be expected to yield while negotiating a chicane or high speed corner) Hold your line don't fight the other car, do not make any sudden movements left or right, ease off slightly and let him pass. He is a lap ahead of you and you are not fighting him for position. You must not hold him up.”

This does say that sometimes the slower driver cannot be expected to yield and it is can be unsafe in some cases. Despite knowing and carefully following the above rule, here is my typical online experience at the moment….

I start the game and have (at most) a few laps, watching my mirrors, getting out of peoples way if i am blue flagged, etc. But sooner or later somebody going much quicker than me comes flying up behind on a fast corner or a really slow bit. They seem to expect me to just jump out of the way and in many cases I have been slammed up the back by the faster car when I am on the racing line and I have not had time or it is not safe to yield.

Many times I have been turning into a corner and the faster driver has tried to dive down the inside…of course there is a crash. The faster driver needed to simply wait until the corner was over and go past at the next safe point.

Many faster drivers seem to commonly go full racing speed on the racing line into the slower car and blame it on them. The faster driver needs to find a safe place to overtake and do it carefully and this may slow them down.

I know having slower cars on the track is annoying but we were all new at some point so it is all part of picking up the game and getting into it.

Following one of these blue flag issues the problem is that abuse then starts being directed at me. “Ban that idiot” “read the blue flag rules”, etc. etc. Often followed by a vote to kick/ban….of course other players seem to vote yes with no knowledge of what actually happened. As I am new and nobody knows me I often get grief from multiple people then leave due to the abuse or get booted from the room.

I have pitted and tried to explain the above but often made matters worse. Some faster drivers seem convinced that if you slowed them in any way or if there was any contact on or off the racing line at any speed then it must be the fault of the slower “noob”. I know if often is the fault of the “noob” but in many cases with me recently it isn’t.

I am not rubbish at racing games, just new to this one and the rude way that some experienced drivers treat a slower car is spoiling the whole experience.

Please try to think of it from a considerate but slower new drivers point of view and think how annoyed you would be if you carefully let loads of blue flag faster cars though with lots of consideration then one fast car make a mess of trying to get past you on a corner and gets you banned/kicked or simply gives you loads of abuse.

I am confused and thinking of finding another game online with friendly drivers.

Any ideas?