Make a new folder in the Lfs folder.. Put in your files there (to find it much quicker). Start LFS.
Open bespoke and find your new "rim" folder and chose a set of rims. Then right betwen the "FILE" and "VIEW" u will find somthing called lfs.. Push it and you will see "Import from lfs" and "Export from lfs".. Just push export and bobs your uncle... Done..
And bespoke should be put in the main lfs folder..

Quote from Glenn67 :

The only way that would be feasable is with about another 100 moderators

Yes I know.... I where hoping that some other guy came up with the solutiom Other then mine that is, because it would be a slow process to get moderators to check every thread.

Quote from MataGyula :

Locking out users just because of their licence status ( demo ,that is ) would be quite unfair and it'd certainly scare away a few of the future buyers of LFS. I think the moderators will be able to handle all the newcomers with perhaps more strict rules about creating new threads - some kind of warn system maybe. You can't really hold off the less experienced forumers ,because as LFS gets more and more attention so does the number of new members increase.

You are right... I also don't think the solutiob is to exclude demos.
Maybe the moderators should aprove new threads before they got posted. That would solve the problem of repost...
Let's see if Bob Smith comments this thread It could be fun to hear what he has to say on this subject.

Quote from MataGyula :

That's spot on. Until peple don't realize that forcing their own stlye/opinion on the others , and not listening to others' opinion with respect (and answering them with the same respect,too) is not the way to go, there is little that you can do to change the situation. Imho, people live faster and faster every day, and they don't care to think about some way's of life ( I mean some philosophy 'n stuff , just thinking about the sole reason of our existence, about our attitude to life and people, about our acts, some self criticism, etc.).

First of all let me thank everybody for reading and debating this thread..

510N3D & MataGyula... I totally agree with you..
To DeMS... Your right to. If people started better treads ( And didn't repost, because they used the search button ) we woulnd't get as many "stupid answers"..

Is there any solution to this problem. Maybe the answers is to lock out "demo users". Another way could be that if the moderators spot a thread thats been asked about before (ex. about when tweak for y is released. )and delete them, and answer the threadmaker through a pm. Maybe if u flame the dude he don't wanna post anything in here again.
Look at it from his point of view:
He starts a tread (a repost)... There is 10 answers. 9 of the are flamers. Only 1 are constructive....
There is a big chance he will say, f..k them. If 9 out of 10 are that way I don't want join this forum.. What if he in some way could have contributed to something good for lfs in the future...
Maybe this is one the nicest forums, but why not make it better...

Is it natural ???? Hmmmm, Maybe for some people it is a natural to be an ass, but they don't have to act like one.... I'm the first to say that I can shake my head at some of theese thread, and get to the point where I have been writting a filthy answer. But then just before I press the post button... I think about what I have written. And delete it...
Again there is no point not talking a bit more civilized in here. Just a thought...

Quote from Glenn67 :

Ever seen a cat behind a window tease a dog? That's the syndrome we have on forums

Lol many times... I guess your right... But sometimes I think that cat teases to much and the dog breakes through the window and start fighting. I just think in leads to nothing and most of the time the they end up pointin fingers at each other like a pair of small children...

I'm just talking about general behavier in forums... Yes I like mods like tweak, because they let me adjust the things I can't mess around with in game. But I also enjoy the realisme in lfs and I think its getting better in every patch....
Yes most of the threads I read r locateded in the "mods" section....

And yes tristancliffe u r right... If scawen wanna go in one direction u can follow him or leave. There not much u can do about that.... Its up to him to develope the game further...

I can also agree with Glenn about when u write in a forum, you have to make extra effort to illustrate what you are trying to say as many people will read it differently . But I think that it is important to just think twice before writting something that could be offensive to other people. Maybe just turn it around to see the message from that other fellows side of the table. How would you react in this forum/real life?

I'm not the biggest poster in this forum, but I am simply afraid......
If u post a thread that already been asked about you get pwn so bad..... What's up with that... Many people in this forum is anti mod people, some of them aren't. But why can't we talk normal and kind to other people... I guess my point to this thread is :

If u ain't got nothing good, nice or constructive to say- THEN DONT..
Quite simple...

I'm not not pointing at any one... Just requesting a nice form of answers...

As Colins said, there no bespoke for patch Y.
The newest is for Patch X..... If u r using 1 of the working patches, the make a subfolder in lfs directory. Put all the .rim files in there.
The put the bespoke.exe in the same dir as lfs.exe.
Thats it.
Bob's your uncle.

Quote from Primoz :

hankstar really hit the nail on its head. Tristan said it nicely too. I still think it would divide the game into two parts. Oh, in this thread i realized that this offical forum can be a bad thing too. people suggest and want lot's of stuff, even if they are told (with arguments) that it wouldn't work. Just like if you'd go to say the official EA forum, where the NFS MW devs hang out (doesn't exist, i know) and start bugging them to improve the physics. Why? The game just wasn't meant for that. Same as LFS isn't meant for engine tuning. It's meant for games like GT4, NFSU/MW. Little kids play those games and brag around their friends 'ya, i've got a 10000 bhp skyline, beat that. I has 10 turbos and a 15 litre engine'. In LFS people can brag about their laptimes ut don't If they are asked they just tell their best time and let their racing do the talking. And that's where they are best.. beating other people in basicly same cars. You can get a lot of WR sets from inferno (heck, i'm a standard 'subscriber' for Flotch's FXR and at times UFR sets) and then you loose against those WR holding guys just because you are slower. Tunning would just mean all the people would run at the maximum limit (there HAS to be a limit, otherwise people would run 1500 bhp UF1000s) and then the cars would be the same.

Have you ever seen a mini with 1500 bhp. I haven't.illepall Thoug I suggested a tuned class I didn't mean it to be unrealistic.
I still can't see the big issue on introducing another class to the game.

Quote from Hankstar :

For the record, a lot of people have actually suggested that the road cars shouldn't be as adjustable as they are and I agree with that. LFS road cars should have some adjustability (they never drive on actual roads after all), but the options available right now are just a tad excessive imho.

As for the engine mod argument, I'll simply say leave it up to the devs to decide if it's worth including ... btw has anyone actually sought their input on this? It would seem more logical than asking the community as the threads about engine mods/tuning usually go the way of the dodo (which gives some indication of how popular the idea is, imho), and to hear something either way from them would perhaps bring closure to the topic.

You have a point.
Is the game should be more realistic then road cars shouldn't be as adjustable as they are now. The only way you could fine tune your supension like you do in lfs is to buy an expensive racing supspension.
And the same with gear setup.

I just guess that the devs, reads some of the topics/threads and yes they will in the end program what they want.
I'm just suggesting.... It is not a demand, like: "If You don't program this in to the game I not playing it anymore."
I don't think they would care about that.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Maybe you too.

I actually DO race prepare engines for competition work in real life. And I have nothing against racing tuned cars, as long as the tuned cars are equal. With modding in LFS that wouldn't be the case. I think I'd have a reasonable advantage over the majoirty of people (including some of the chavvy 'I luv NOS' types on this forum who THINK they understand), and yet I still don't want tuning in LFS.

Gunn has got it spot on. It will add absolutely nothing to LFS, and take away most of the good points. It would, in short, kill LFS.

Well that is why I suggested 2 classes to start with in this forum. I have also done my time with racing. And I havn't said that a want LFS to more like NFSU or GT4. Not at all.
What I'm saying is that for those who like to fidle with engine setups as well, should be able to race in a tuned class. Then it would even the score in that class.

For those who would like to fine tune their suspension and all the other stuff. Let them race in Stock. Can't really see why i should "kill" the game.
Would everybody just race tuned class? I don't really think so.

Quote from Hankstar :

This topic just keeps coming back, like Jason Voorhees (perhaps the search function isn't as well advertised as it could be )!

From the (numerous) previous threads, it seems many people think that engine tuning/mods simply wouldn't add enough to the LFS experience to make it worth the effort of including the game. Some have even suggested it would marginalise or disadvantage people who don't have a technical mindset, i.e. those LFS players who just like to start LFS, get online, pick a car and be ready to race in a couple of minutes. I'm one of those people. Double-click, pick a setup, floor it.
I can think of no other race sim that includes modding and tuning (although there are many many games that do), and it's probably because (I assume, I'm no programmer) it would very complex to code and there would have to be whole lot more equations, information etc included (not to mention it's limited appeal)...
If it ever did end up in LFS then you'd have the inevitable complaints from tuners who would post saying "devs wtf I adusted part X to get result Y and all I got was result Z wtf devs". And this would be after the inevitable and lengthy discussion of what mod/tune options to actually include in the first place ... It's hard enough already to please people regarding the core elements of driving, e.g. driving physics and tyre behaviour...add complex tuning options and noone would ever be satisfied. I suppose you'd either have to have something realistic and therefore out of a lot of people's area of expertise, or something dumbed-down (Gran Turismo style: stage 4 turbo = $1000 and 1000hp or whatever) so that everyone could use it.
Simply, I play race sims so I can race people in cars that behave realistically and with a minimum of fuss. I play LFS because of the good physics and simplicity. I may not be the only one ...

U havn't read the topic have u? DIFFERENT CLASSES. That's because u anti-tuning people don't want to race tuned cars. That's fine by me. Don't no really don't. If u don't have the knowledge and think u can handle it. Alright.
Race in the stock class. Pick a track, a car, an setup and floor it.

Then leave the tuning class to the 50 % others who would like to race tuned cars......

Why do u always think that u r forced to race the tuning class. It's a matter of choice.
Oh and about the tuners complainen, it would be a this forum. If u don't wan't to read it. Don't

Quote from l2acer1 :

If im not mistaken there already like 5 different car classes?
Road Race TBO LRF GTR? why would u want just stock and tuning....how would u classify world records...? u no0bs who suggest this stuff think about yourself not the whole game in perspective....its a C-O-M-M-U-N-I-T-Y game not a I-W-A-N-T game....plus people that play the game probably dont know much about tuning engines....and yes u may say practice offline..but why would u want to waste time tuning your engine offline when all u have to do now is go and get a setup from a simple website..?....My point being if u want tuning play NFS...If u want realism play LFS...im done here...sorry if this is rude...lol...

Yes I think u are. U haven't read the threads above. LFS isn't 100% realistic unless tuning are added.
Yes there are different classes now but if u add a tuning class, people without engine knowledge don't have to play the tuning class.
And so what if u get a setup from a webside. Is that so bad. U could do the same now, right.
By the way u don't know anything about tuning engines, but u know what every suspension word means? If u keep the tuning simple then u don't have to be a F1 scientist.
I think u r the one not seeing the big perspective. U think about your self
by not allowing this game to evolve.

I see u joined July 2004 and still race demo. That tells me u r satisfied with those 3 cars. Fine keep racing them. But don't what we should do and not do. If u support this game so much, why not pay up and join the community. As far as I can see you r the thats IWANT GAME but I don't like to pay for the hole experience.

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Quote from -DrftMstr- :

it has been discussed earlier... i think i also suggested some tuning packages... but yea doesnèt bother me anymore... like it or not, play LFS as it is

I like LFS alot an play big time but if there no room for suggestion/changes then why make patches at all? Just play LFS with the bugs it has.
I see alot of suggestion in these threads. Many of them are quiet good.
Many of theme r about tuning...yes I have spent some time now reading.
So something tells me alot of people would like to see this happening

Quote from Primoz :

Krane taht's true, but it is a competition'. It's MEANT to be in the same class...

What is the problem with making 2 classes. R u afraid your gonna race alone. As I see it, 50 % in this forum is against tuning. 50% the opposit.

Quote from Primoz :

If you want turbo pressure, cam and mixture richness controled, someone will want suspension geomtry controlled (the shape of the arms, bolting points, etc.). Will then everyone design their own car? Sure, it works like this in the real life (except in Formula Ford or simmilar classes where they basically all drive the same car). ..

No and that is why there should be 2 classes. Because u don't wanna race tuned cars.
I would like to. Try a little more with the cars in lfs.Take it up a notch. Nfsu 1 & 2 and sertanly not most wanted isn't realistic. GT4 isn't 100% realistic. LFS does a good job on that hand.
Just not on the engine side. Besides U can chance some of the suspension geometry.

Don't see the big problem in this.

Quote from Primoz :

The XRT already has a FWD turbo car that competes with it. It's called the FXO.

I know but maybe I want a little ekstra kick in the XRT or maybe add a turbo to lets say the...FZ50. That's my choice. Maybe I would munch som rubber, but I like that.

Quote from Primoz :

About the adjustable boost, most of the drivers can handle the max boost so all will use the highest one. If you had a setting from 0,6 to 0.8 bar on the XRT with let say 0.01 increments, what would you use? 0.6? I know i wouldn't. best to leave this as it is, even now he cars just aren't balanced so well, that would unbalance them even more. Running higher boost (0.1 or 0.2 bar) doesn't have much negative sideeffects. Running more or less rich mixture has. That's the difference here. That's why mixture settings would work better and even those wouldn't work the best.

I don't agree. What do u do in real life??? When u r tuning engines u normaly also upgrade brakes and suspention.
That's also alright be me if u don't change turbo pressure. I would because, well i like drifting
And I think it could be fun to race lets say a stock FZ50 against an tuned XR for instance. It's a matter of choice. That is why i saying make 2 classes.
One for those who race stock and those who dosn't. As I said before simple.

Quote from Primoz :

LFSTweak works online, you just have to make a server with edited cars and people that want to join must have exactly tuned cars to match. That's the 'prob' here (It's good actually, otherwise there would be people with 1500 bhp FXRs running with normal 500 bhp ones. Not fair, aye?).

No that's not fair, but if the engine tuning are integrated in to the game then u couldn't have an 1500 bhp FXR. No it would be more realistic. If ad some more pressure and a rich mixture and adjust cams, maybe max 450 bhp. That would be a drag setup because if u added engine damage it wouldn't make 10 laps. I think lfstweak is a fun program, but it isn't realistic.

Quote from lalathegreat :

hes not asking to to split the game into two different parts.
hes basically asking for user defined classes between the cars
Example
the GTI,XRT,XRG are not in the same class of car, the can't compete which each other competivily.

Now if u where able to lets stay add a turbo to the GTI or modify its performance to bring it into the same league as the XRT they would be able to compete.

its been stated before that some people just rather not have to worry about tunning a car, so he sugested that we have class system

Eg
Class S-Stock cars
Class T250- tune;with 250 horsepower limit

U hit the spot

Quote from Primoz :

Alter the HP too much, not a good idea.

Why?? It its my problem to handle the ekstra hp. It's up to the driver how much he can handle

Quote from Primoz :

Look my post above

Yes I have read your post... It's more work to program than adjustable turbo pressure but it could be done

Quote from Primoz :

The only rev limitng LFS does is pit speed limiter (and now TC in BF1 and FZ). If you mean to prevent overreving, for now there s no engine damage (at least no effective one) and besides, take care of your foot

U misunderstood me. I meant that u could adjust the limiter not bush a button to not overrev. And engine damage could be added. Besides it hard to take care of my foot when i'm racing with keyboard

Quote from Primoz :

It does work online.

I didn't know..

Quote from Primoz :

What kind of classes ae you talking about? If i understand correctly, you want to split the game into two parts, LFS standard edition (with all the usual cars) and LFS tuner edition (the usual cars, but more NFSU style). Can't see that happening, DON'T WANT that happening.

I don't want to compare lfs with nfsu. All I'm saying is that if u create some tuning for the engine then u have to create 2 classes to race. Those with tuned engine and those without. Simple!?
This is just to make both sides happy.

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Quote from xaotik :

What you are really asking for is modding capability

According to what I've read, the ability to trully mod cars like that will, possibly, be around after S3. Hang on.

I am hangin on
I suggest that they make some small enginetuning capabilities, like adjustable turbopresure
fuel mixture
Rev limitin
and so on

Yes I know...use lfstweak, but u can't use that online.

What I want is a chance to try it ingame/online.

I'm not talking about doing major changes yet.
And why not make these changes.
If they made 2 classes then there wouldn't be a problem????

Maybe I'm gonna get flamed, but those who don't like enginetuning need to cool down and see this thing from a different perspective. I have.
That is why I suggested different classes.
Then all those how like to just "tune" their suspention, gas, tire pressure and other stuff could select the stock class.
Those who like a little more race setup, could choose the racing class.
And online....can't see the problem. Select your class.

The anti-tuning people in this forum have an idea that it's all or nothing.
The world is not black or white. U can make choices...tuning or no tuning.

I don't know if there is a thread like this somewhere in this forum. At least I can't find it.
My suggestion is, how about making different categories to race in.
I mean
A stock car class ( None tuned engines)
A tuned car class (Mild or heavy modified engines)

Then just choose wich class u wan't to race.

Because there is 2 kind of people in this forum.
Those who want tuning and those who don't.

Then both sides would be happy.