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Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:03

schw4rz

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Quote from Sracer :I just want to point out that giving one lap back for only those teams which timed out in last sector put them actually in better position than the ones who timed out in first or second.

3rd sector is something like about 50s long. So when +1 lap penalty is removed from them they lose about 2mins to 2mins 50s. But then these teams timing out in first or second sector not only get +1 lap penalty which is already 2min 50s, and just to add to that then all the time lost when they were racing before the actual timeout which can be from 1s to 2mins. And then of course the time to connect the server again and leaving the pits, and how the strategy went all wrong.

I get the point, you are right in what u say. In fact, when i think about it it makes absolutely no sense to give penalties at all if u just look at random not intentionall done penalties... I just caluclated expected ratios for the two situations, using the assumption, that disconnects are random within the whole Lap-time. So evenly distributed around the wohle interval. Supposing an average Lap of 170 seconds, the probability of a disconnect before sector 3 is 120/170 an after is 50/170. so its 2.4 times more likely to get a punishment before sector 3, whereas the punishment before sector 3 is on expectance 60 seconds, and after about 145 seconds, so the punishment before is 2.42 times less hard. if u combine both the ratio is about 0.99, so nearly even. If u add a one Lap penalty its 1.70 so its 1.7 times as hard getting punished for a disconnect before as for one after (thats simpl because the penalt does not take in account where the disconnect was). if u substract the penalty for a disconnect after, the ratio is 3.7 (!!!), so a penalty before is punished 3.7 times harder. (If u add some 5-10 seconds for reconnecting, results dont change that much)

so if u compare these ratios its absolutely senseless to substract that lap for one team if u just divide the situations by sectors. The mistak is probably done becaus we didnt look at the probabilities for disconeccts in the two parts. But there might be more useful methods for handling that, but that would be hard to implemnet, because u cant just give back the time the lost because it depends on traffic, skill, car, sector and so on...

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Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:26

schw4rz

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Quote from GuRu_PL :ny: http://i569.photobucket.com/al ... guru/2010-09-11132718.jpg

Its old playseat, and g27 pedals are just too big for it and there is no way to fasten them to playseat :P

Great piece of engineering

Quote from eimer_ :YES, just a detail, but worth mentioning. i quote lfs\docs\commands.txt:

"/vote X :no / yes (allow guest voting)"

admins will still see kick & ban buttons, if i remember correctly. and they don´t start votes, instead they kick instantly. but it is VERY good for guests not to have those buttons any more. so they can´t accidently click on them in the take-over process. no need for votes in such an event any way, am i right?

Having said that, i still want to thank everyone who was involved in this, no matter if you made this possible or if you "just" drove. I enjoyed every second once again. I´m just loving these events!

Oh, and my opinion on disconnect-penalties:

- first of all, I wouldn´t change rules half way or even after the race. if you think this penalty is too harsh, don´t give it in the next race. but this time, everyone knew what to expect. It was in the rules.

- second, the penalty came up for a reason. think of a team who´s got a damaged engine or a car on the roof. they might want to shift-p or shift-s to get a new car, even at the expense of a penalty lap. now if there was an alternative way of leaving the track without a penalty, they would use that alternative. the alternative would simply be: unplug the network cable on your machine. time-out. quickly plug it back in and rejoin.

so if you don´t want people to do that, you´d have to lift the 1 lap penalty for shift-p as well. and i don´t think you want to do that ...

edit: of course noone can force team alternate to take the price. if they want to give it to the second place, what a nice gesture

As posted before, our main Admin Carsten is currently checking the Replay, for Disconnects. As far as i know, we will not remove all penalties, but only these which occured in sector 3, because we do not want to "double"-punsih. The not completed Lap is penalty enough. The additional Lap added by our Tracker, will in contrast be removed. We will also remove penalties that resulted, when 2 or several disconnects followed whithin a very short period of time.

If there will be a 2nd LFS-Event from Team ALTERNATE, we will consider not giving a Drive-Through penatly for accidentially chatting (i.e. hitting F1 insted ESC at the end of a stint) neither for the first chat command of a Team, but for every consequent use of the chat. All Teams know that chatting is not allowed, and i think we dont need DTs for some little issues. We also considered that during the race, but to be consistent with our (short) rulesheet, we had to give these penalties. Also we will provide a much more detailed rulebook.

We will also solve the problem with the vote-kicks then. We simply forgot about that. We had enough to focus on before, like setting up the Tracker, Stream and everthing

Of course our Team #1 will not take the prizes, we didnt announce that, but that should have been clear before. (And was as far as i know announced serveral times on our stream (unfortunately german only))

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Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:02

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yeeeah, my pedals stood on the ground as firm as a rock during the race, i love that duct tape