Quote from Hyperactive :

Currently all the best (or most used) track are fast with hardly any slow turns, like aston tracks, westhills or the kyotos. Fern bay tracks aren't driven that much because there is no place for error, very few places to pass and LFS isn't suited at the moment for twisty tracks imho. Specially any faster rwd cars.

Those lift-throttle-oversteers and generally the "hard-to-handle" grip at slow speed makes those tracks very hard and frustrating for most racers. Also the bumps the 'ring has might be very tough for LFS.

And the only way the 22km fantasy track in LFS could again any popularity - It needs to be the ring. Because the track is damn hard and takes much longer to learn than any normal track. The only thing keeping the players driving it is that they know it's the 'ring. I guess the ring wasn't even that popular in GPL. Any under 8:15:00 drivers here? My best ist 8:28 or something,

And imagine the work needed for a perfect ring track in LFS

Sub-8 here. Just love driving around the Ring, very exciting. Isle of Man is also a very long and fast if you've ever heard of the place.

Yea well, I believe that you were frustrated, saw you spinning/crashing quite often.

Hehe, well, I wasn't able to look at the track map very often. South city long won't let you to do so....

Quote from MagicFr :

well,

i think i can count 4 punctures for me

1st one, front right and rear left at the same time
Then one entering in pit.
Then one @ front right at end of the race .

Topi, sorry for the 1st time i passed you, i couldnt keep my car from slidind to the wall, i think i crushed you a bit on the wall
I had big fight with Topi, was fun most of time, but, some moved was a bit unfair from my point of view, but i will live with that

Rudi... man... i was faster than you, i had overlapped you, i had a big fight with Topi... and you passed me, and then blocked me ( not in purpose ).. and i spun... i'm a bit mad against you... hopeefully it will not last long

BTW, who have a voodoo pupet of me ??? because... during the race, 2 of my 4 spring in my pedals breaked,i was blocking tire every turn, because i have to get used to the new feeling, then my accel pedal went crazy, and i couldnt get full power for 4 laps, just after overtaking Torben

Lol, should i sacrifice a chicken before every race ? illepall





Looking forward for next race, Congratz Daniel.

Yes, we were fighting quite often and hard, was hard to keep concentrating on driving when you were looking for the passinfg spot all the time. No prob about the 1st time pass, but was hard to know where you were when you went into my blindspots often and I couldn't know where you wer.. It seemed that you were trying to get the inside everytime possible with only small overlap. That made me cautious when cutting corners. Well, that's my pont of view, i'll watch replays today. Was nice to have some battling during the race anyway.

Hmm..Rudi was one lap behind us?! Just wondering, because we had some battling soon after you had.

Those springs broke in the brake or throttle pedal? Or both? My springs from throttle pedal have been broken since last S1 endu. Happened during the season, not in race though. I managed to fix it with elastic bands and super glue and finished the last race happily. Well, good luck with your pedals. You will get used to it. Everything is possible.

Eat the chicken.

Quote from jtr99 :

In NR2003 of course, the engine damage model will quickly penalize you (with a blown engine or gear) for never lifting on upshift. Whereas in the current S2 alpha the engine damage modelling seems pretty generous and I get the impression you could shift at full-throttle all day without paying the price. (Not complaining about this and I realize that more accurate engine and gearbox damage simulation is almost certainly coming soon in LFS.)

If you're driving XRR in long races like in Endurance league (2 hours), you are surely slower in the end if you don't lift when shifting. In the first race at Westhill, my laptimes were 1 - 2 seconds lower during the last stint compared to the first stint, when I only flatshifted during the race.

This is supposed to be an endurance league and I would consider 2h minimum to be classified as an endurance race. With 1h races cars would be unbalanced again, when xrr can't take the advantage of less pit stops. 2h feels just right, but races could start an hour or half earlier. Maybe even more. Races start quite late here at GMT +2.

:twocents:

You can always cure the oversteer problem by tweaking anti-roll bars for example.
IMO, Fxr shouldn't be as fast as the other ones. It's easiest to drive and if it was as fast as others, everyone would use it.

Quote from MagicFr :

40min with R2s ????? What pressure and camber to keep R2s 40minutes?
It is not possible with FXR because of FRONT tires.
on RWD front tires are used for turning and braking.
on AWD front tires are used for turning , braking AND accelerating... and that's is more heat for the tire

Well, pressures were 1,43/1,17 bar in front and 1,78/1,78 bar in the rear. I was also used 77 power side and 20 coast side differential lock to minimise resistance when turning. Anti-roll bars were under 100. Add smooth driving to that and you can do 40 mins easily.

Why don't you try to give more power to the rear in FXR? That should keep fronts alive. I have driven only few laps in FXR though, so I don't have much experience.

Quote from Krutch :

Choosing FXR wasn't wrong, especially as you seemed to be able to do 2 stops. I was slower in the end because I first knew you had to do one more stop, but then I got disturbed by someone walking in my room and crashed into a wall. Right side of the car got some damage, but I only had problems in left-handed turns so my speed was still ok. Shame about the incidents, would have been close between us.

I was racing with R3's on my XRR as in a training run on R2's my lf exploded after 20 minutes. In training my R3's did seem to cool down too much after 30 minutes, but I reduced camber just before the race and it worked out so I changed strategy during the race. But I also reduced camber a bit too much as I was slower than in training, so a change at my stop helped. Always nice when that works out

The only good choice for all GTR cars is R2. When R3s wear some, they get way too cold and lose grip. R2s are about optimum after 27 minuts or so and even get too cold at the end of the stint! I've driven quite hard with R2s in XRR and the temps were something around 58/65/67. That was at the end of a 40minute stint when practising.

Something should be done about this. Make R2s wear more so only very short stints can be driven or give more grip for R3s and R4s. Otherwise R2 is the only choice if you want to be fast, even in long races. R3s and R4s are useless at the moment, not at the oval though. Or maybe even give much more compounds, maybe from R1 to R10. That would give everyone loads of possibilites with their strategy and good tires for it.

Just to be clear, I was Korteniemi driving XRR in the race, Div A.

At the start of the race I got two qualy spots for free so i started 3rd instead of 5th. Lefty had to quit the league and Rudi couldn't race. looking good for me, but I lost my teammate.

Well, the green flag dropped and Belak and Niitav pulled away. I saw them having some fighting. I was able to see Tixier in my mirrors for some time and we were side-to-side once, but he didn't manage to pass. At the some point Kowalski went past me and I didn't want any risky fight so I let him go without any more fighting. I'd pass him again when he goes to pits.

Saw people going to pits one by one and then being at the lead for some laps. I kept very close look at my tires and driving, to make sure they last. Pitted at the end of lap 36. At this point I was sure that my 2 stop strategy would work. I had some marginal for mistakes now.

At some point during my 2nd stint I had some side-by-side action with Sauthoff, but he pitted soon after that. Well, nothing special, some people passed me but regained my position when they pitted. I was just keeping it steady to keep tires in decent condition. At some point saw yellow flag at the chicane and Niitav at the side fo the road. Leading again, but pitting soon. Pitted sometime around 1h 23 min race time, well on schedule.

Then saw Belak pitting around 1h 25 min, so I assumed he'd still have to do one more stop. Well he didn't have to. He conserved fuel and tires, so he drove slower. I was able to get closer to him easily, but I had to drive conervatively too.

On 96 lap Kowalski passed me, even he was one lap behind me. This passing maneuver of course slowed me down. Well, eventually I get close to Belak, but Kowalski is between us, even at that point I was driving faster than, still he's not giving room. So I can't get close to Belak, because he was between us, and I had to slow down because Kowalski was driving very close in front of me. Everyone know the loss of downforce when drafting.

I'm not taking any stupid risks because some guy had a race accident and because of that doesn't respect blue flags. So why should I try to do a competitive pass when the guy in front should let me pass easily? It is very disrespectful to get between the leaders who are fighting for the victory during the last laps. It's good that he admits his mistake though, I know some drivers who don't.

Ah well, finished 2nd after all, 0,56 secs behind Belak. Good race otherwise. 2 stop strategy seemed like a good choice and worked well.

I have to congratulate Belak though. He drove a great race and took a big risk by driving a loooong stint and conserving fuel to win the race. That's some real racing spirit. Respect.

Last edited by Tillverkad, Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:12.

Current road normals have as much grip as old road supers. Maybe even too much grip, you can pull just over 1g with road normals now.

I've been watching some karting events, and had a close look to the tires after races. Dirt, grass and stuff really seems to stick into hot slicks as far as I saw and tried to pick dirt and stuff out of the tires.

UFRs consume less fuel, so they probably have less weight gain at the start of a longish race.

Low wind would be great, just if we could have some kind of a weather forecast about 5-10minutes before the race. Some people try to compensate the loss of downforce during backwind by adding more wing angle to their car. It's just like lottery if it is good for a 2hr race, where setting it wrong can ruin the whole race. You never know if it's 4km/h useless wind or 29km/h wind where you really could tweak your car a bit to make it better, but then again it might 4km/h wind where little tweaks could ruin your car's handling.

So if we'd know the direction of wind and speed some minutes before the race, we could do some quick setup tweaks depending on the wind, but it still wouldn't be hotlapping. I vote for no wind until we get the weather forecast feature.

Last edited by Tillverkad, Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:58.

Yes, but even the main race in escc is quite short actually (about 1 hour), only one pitstop is needed. There's sprint race also, where fzr really shines. So overally fzr is better for the whole race night. (Did I forgot to mention qualifying, where fzr is better?)

I like xrr more, but then noticed I wouldn't have a chance agains fzrs in those quite shortish races. I decided to pick fzr, and it's much much harder to drive, especially when rear tires are at their hottest state, after couple of laps. They will settle down when they wear though.

But when races are about 2h long like in endurance league, they're quite balanced (don't know about the fxr, didn't see one in my div). I was able to finish with only 3 pitstops in my xrr, when some fzr guys had to do 5. The track was Westhill.

I think they're good as they are, xrr better in the long runs, especially when it can finish a race whit less pit stops. Just look at Endurance league and the first race top3, xrr,xrr, fzr. And xrr is easier to drive, at least in my opinion.

Fxr is also good choice for long runs, very tire friendly. Haven't tried it yet, but I'd assume it's r2 tires can last about 45min of driving, if you have enough fuel. And it's the most easiest to drive.

I like i that the cars are all very different, so we can see different tactics on longer races, which make it much more interesting than seeing 10 fzrs pitting on the same lap. They're not equal, but well balanced.