Quote from Goo (Logitech) :

With regard to the transmission, in addition to smoothness and quietness, there is also significantly less backlash in the force feedback system. All of these things work together to enhance overall force feedback fidelity and give developers the ability to convey even more information with forces. It is a big improvement over previous generations of force feedback transmissions.

As to why we do or don't use a particular technology, I can't really comment except to say that the decision-making process involves a lot of different factors.

And as far as your other commentary goes - I can't really refute your opinions about buttons and such, and I don't want to be argumentative, but I will reiterate that a significant amount of engineering effort was put into all of the components of the G27. It's not immediately apparent from the images, but the entire product feels significantly better as a result. That's kind of hard for me to prove on a messageboard, though. Hopefully reviews and testimonials from non-Logitech people will bear this out.

Thank you for replying to my post. I do respect your willingness to reply to our comments.

Moreover, I do hope you are right that this does feel significantly better because I bought myself a DFGT for very few $s while waiting for the G27 to be "officially" announced.

From pictures I am disappointed but I won't care how it looks if it does the job better than anything else in the price range.

Thanks again

Hey Goo,

Sorry to add to the negativity but to me the G27 seems like a product designed to increase sales and not increase quality.

Given that almost 3 years have passed since the G25 and the growth of simulation racing games, I feel that Logitech has missed out on a golden opportunity here. I don't say that as just a sim racer but a student of business.

That is, you guys should expect a sales bump from the G27 when it hits the shelves because its the "shiny new toy" but at the cost of alienating your long-time customers by basically re-badging a 3 year old product and claiming it as new. I find this dissapointing and a little insulting.

Specifically:

1) Only improvement to the steering is a "quieter" gear system? Why not a quicker, more accurate and realistic system?
2) Only improvement to the wheel functionality is a couple of buttons and LEDs? Worst of all, they look poorly designed also.
3) The best thing you guys could come up with to improve the quality of the shifter is to remove sequential mode? Personally, I don't care about sequential shifting but this action and the visual similarity of the shifter housing just tells me that engineering was not a priority for this product. Come on, in this economy a manufacturer would be able to design you a much nicer die mold on the cheap!
4) Why not load cell based pedals? The biggest attraction to the G25 to me was the clutch pedal and the accuracy of the entire pedal system. Again, 3 years later and Logitech doesn't offer an improvement? Load cells would have been a great answer.

I can under the business decision- short run profits are the name of the game- but this product launch is just another reason to keep my money in my pocket

Last edited by KarateBoy, Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:46.

Sounds good.

Expect a high quality photo update soon

Quote from KingofFah :

I'm interested. I sent you a PM.

Replied to your email

I am trying to set up wheel + pedals on windows vista and I ran into a problem I cannot figure out.

The Steering works but

my GAS pedal is attached to my BRAKE axis and my Brake pedal is attached to the Z axis which is not doing anything.

I have a Logitech Driving Force GT

I do not have combined pedals turned on.

Driving Force GT on eBay (or CL) is around your price range. Very good wheel for the money

Finally product will have

1) Seat adjustment - Horizontal
2) Steering wheel Stand adjustment -Vertical
3) Monitor Stand adjustment -Vertical and Horizontal
4) Gear Shift Stand (Vertical)

Last edited by KarateBoy, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:54.

Quote from logitekg25 :

i might be interested, but i am not sure if 2 feet wide is enough...my birth day is coming up and i might have to add this thread link to this thread>>> http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1198152#post1198152

How big are you? One of my friends, 6'5'' and 265 lbs, got into my cockpit with a real Tenzo racing seat which is about the same width (maybe a little smaller) and he fit fine.

With all my research, I have found very very few seats that are wider and many that are smaller.

However, if you do find a bigger seat, I will fabricate the cockpit so it does support it.

Please keep us in mind when your birthday comes around. We hope to sell a few cockpits to forum members at a discounted price (fully loaded with every accessory stand) to prove the product's quality.

Hey guys, I think I finally found a racing seat supplier.

Please let me know what you guys think


http://www.symmicauto.com/images/auto/6496.jpg
http://www.symmicauto.com/images/auto/6496-2.jpg

The price of the complete cockpit with seat will be +$135.

i hope to post high res pictures of a final prototype by Wednesday.

For anyone looking at this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA ... tem&item=220433740576

Quote from batteryy :

hello there. this is quite good looking n that, but whats the price? also, does it include a wheel and seat, or only the stand or are they optional? and where can you ship it?. if you could answer those i could maybe be considering buying not sure yet tho, but that is also good info for other ppl

Thanks

Pricing for the United states, will be $199.99+shipping (~£120 at current exchange rates) for just the frame. Shipping within the continental united states will vary from $9.99 to $19.99. We also plan on selling monitor stands, which would be able to support similar weights as the steering wheel mount (100kgs), keyboard stands, and gear shift stands between $19.99 and $39.99. However, I want to prove my product. I am willing to ship a few orders with gear shift stand, keyboard stand, and monitor stand for $199.99+shipping.

Currently, I do not have a supplier for the seats or steering wheels but if you want those options I will sell them to you at cost. If you have your own seats, all I will need is a picture of you holding a tape measure next to the seat rails so I can weld the frame rails into the right place.

We are Chicago based so I would need to figure out a good shipping option to the UK.

I hope someone from the United States also consider this offer while I work out the details with my shipping company about shipments to the UK.

Here's a little update:

We decided, unless there are major objection by anyone one on this board, that the all stands will "plug" into the main frame. The rails are about a hollow 1/2'' square and that will slide over a solid 1/2'' square. We believe that this design will give us the stability, adjustability, and design to ship the racing cockpit in as small of a box as possible

Please keep the questions coming.

Last edited by KarateBoy, Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:44.

I think I found a shipping company (USPS) that would be able to ship this cockpit to the UK and Northern Ireland for about $100 (60 British Pounds)

I want to prove the quality of this product. If someone is interested in this cockpit please email me. I am willing to sell a few units at a introductory lower rate.

All I ask in return in an honest review posted on the forum. I know that you will enjoy it. :-)

Quote from Feffe85 :

& = "&" = shift+6.. Just for future screw-ups between computers :P

Good to know

Quote from JasonJ :

Sorry but the pic link won't work

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=zly9t0&s=5

This URL looks like a typo.

That's strange, the URL looks different on my screen.

This is the same picture on another host

http://yfrog.com/11picture144fj

Hello Fellow Sim Racer,

My name is Paul and I would love for you to design your own racing simulation cockpit.

Currently, me and my team have built a prototype and would like to hear some feedback on. As so far, we built an extremely solid frame. The entire frame is built from 8 gauge square polished steel tubing. For a sense of durability: the steering wheel mount can support 220+ pounds (100+ kgs). Moreover, the chair is full adjustable (horizontally) as is the steering wheel mount (vertically). We plan on offer free painting of the color of your choice with every purchase. Next we will add a monitor stand (probably on the right hand side) as well as offer the option of a monitor stand, For those of you with a Logitech G25 shift knob, or other detached shift knobs, we will offer an adjustable stand that will attached on either side.

Original Idea is to just sell the cockpit frame so anyone can buy the exact seat (from Sparco and Bride to junkyard treasures) they want. However, if there is much interest in buying the a complete cockpit, I will hunt down a supplier.

Dimensions
L: 48'' (122cm)
W: 24' (61cm)'
H: 20-24'' (51cm-61cm)




Future images will be higher quality

We would love to hear more from you!

*** Desired Addition: Monitor Stand, Gear Shift Stand, Keyboard Stand
*** Features: How Modular would you like it to be? What other features are important to you?
and
*** Preferred Payment Method and Price (eBay, Paypal, etc..)

Hopefully we can build something great together!

Last edited by KarateBoy, Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:55.

Quote from MijnWraak :

Heh, it'd cost more to make a sim-racing cockpit.

Given all the different cockpits I've seen, you're going for form over function when you go that expensive.

Last edited by KarateBoy, Fri, 22 May 2009 03:04.

My new $600 cockpit

Runs like new:

http://tinypic.com/r/2r5f6zb/5

http://tinypic.com/r/a1sqyx/5

Pictures are rather large so be patient as they load.

Last edited by KarateBoy, Fri, 22 May 2009 00:00.

For aluminum to support my weight, I'd need to spend a lot more than I want to. My new cockpit will be steel based.

I'll post pics of the cockpit tomorow

Sorry about the stupid syntax.

I meant to say that the aluminum felt to "bendy," or malleable

Im going to a supplier tomorrow

Last edited by KarateBoy, Tue, 19 May 2009 14:37.

Thanks for the quick reply.

The only square tubing I found at home depot was aluminum. Is that what you used?

I found to be feel to malleable to be useful.

My goal is to construct something like this in the short-term

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8584/img2738qy4.jpg

But I haven't been able to find any of the piping. Every single store I went to (2x Home Depot, Ace Hardware, Crafty Beaver, and Menard's) sell only round plimbing pipes. Any helps?

Also, any advice for cheap seats? I'm guessing junk yard.

Thanks in advance

Last edited by KarateBoy, Tue, 19 May 2009 16:04.