OK then to settle this I would like to see the devs point of view on this so if Victor, Scawen and Eric are on here I would like your opinion on this subject seeing as it is about you.

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-1000. If I were one of the devs I'd give up working on the project because of the community... Stop DEMANDING. Every one that puts themselves on the side of the devs is being called fanboy for what? Because we see how frustrating is for them? They are people too. I am not trying to stand on the side of the game. **** LFS. You're so in love with your little game that when it comes down to finding another hobby - the hobby becomes flaming or demanding from the devs of that very same game. Or are you just mad because your beloved game is not progressing fast enough and need somebody to blame? I'm pretty sure that the devs are tired from complaints and such. I know because I would have been tired too. ****, I wouldn't be only tired, I would quit developing it, if the community is so ungrateful. **** the game, we're talking about the mental pressure you are putting on the devs' heads.

I know that I would treat a community so ungrateful even worse. And yeah, I would definitely understand them if they just silently quit the forums and the development. But from the look of it, those people have no intentions to do such a thing, even tho you are pushing them that way more and more every day. Look how good they treat you, and you just push harder and harder and harder and harder every time something is said. And you expect them to give you updates or be active in the forum as a whole? You just go like "poor us, we have no patch, no report updates, come on Scawen, tell us something new" in every thread he replies. And then you wonder "Why are the devs so silent, maybe they quit developing the game?". Think about it.

PS: Sorry, Antman, it wasn't pointed only at you, I just grabbed your reply cause it was the shortest.

You are one of the few people who understand me, everything you just said is what is happening tho and its sad just because your behind a keyboard and the like does not give you the right to treat people as if they are dirt because they have not wrote a few words on what is going on. The patch comes when it comes but at least show a little more respect to the people who created the game, thanks for the reply and echoing my thoughts

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Dtermination

now thats cool

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

We're all equal? I had to lol at that, you communist! We are not all equal!

Guess what? This IS one of "those" threads again. This stuff did not need to be said again, we all have different opinions about what is really going on in the background, mine is that Scawen is hard at work on perfecting those new physics. Other people might have different opinions, but we don't need this topic to be brought up all the time. I predict this thread will be deleted/locked by the end of the day.

My point in that is that you nor no one else is better that me in anyway that is also my point that Scawen is working on LFS so why are you argueing with me this is the reason threads on this forum go like this Im not trying to insult you Im just saying how I feel can you understand?

Ok, So here is the story. I was browsing theres forums for the last few months and trying to keep up to speed with the tyre physics progress report and the VWS ect.

Now just a few things to say before I start with my views.

-I am not a 'fanboy'.
-I am human also.
-I am entilted to my opnion as are you.
-Just because i do not have a big post count does not make my opnion less important and I plan on being more active on the forums now.
-This is not a thread that is to be flamed.
-Release dates of the VWS and physics or talk of them are not to be said please.
-The reason I am doin this is beacuse of my feelings of some of the things that have been said here.
-We are ALL equal .

Now I have been playing LFS for almost 1 year now, I think its a fantastic game although it has some downside but so does every game. I respect the developers greatly for making a fantastic game and its a pleasure to be able to play it. With the news of the new tyre physics model to be introduced along with the VWS and rockingham I was greatly excited because I am more of a SIM racer and the closer to realism the better IMO.

As I kept an eye here to see if there would be any more word on a date and updates from Scawen the comments started rolling in on the threads. People kept asking for more info on what was going on and kept pestering him for an answer when he clearly didn't know because of the scale of the project after all this is ONE man not a machine.

As time when on the comments turned into threats with people saying 'I'm leaving LFS' if this is not done by xxxx, that clearly was not going to do any good and just made the thread full of information that wasn't needed as it only provoked responses that were also not needed. Then it turned into an argument for about 40 pages and counting. It is of not benefit of anyone reading the thread and there is no need for such childish behavior and from what I can see there's too many keyboard gangsters getting involved. Then the abuse turned to the dev's for not having it out Scawen seemed to take the brunt of the attack which was not fair or to anyone else for that matter. As he says in his posts he IS working on LFS and its not dead!, if you take the time to read his posts he says that working on lfs is not 'fun' for him anymore and to me in his posts he speaks as if his spirit is broken and he just is not enjoying LFS like he did before and all the comments that have no substnce and are just out to make someone feel bad are a disgrace!:grumpy:

There is no respect for the devs from most people they do an amazing job but just because you do not see it does not mean that it's not going on, I know if I go to do something I like to do it right and it seems that Scawen also feels this way, sure maybe it is a long wait but you had to wait until you were born. I could bet that if he releases it the way it is not 100% right people will throw that back in his face also because they will say that he didn't do a good enough job on it so he's damed if he does and damed if he doesn't.

Put yourself in there shoes you work all the time on a project you get no thanks for how would you feel? Treat as you would like to be treated!

So please think about this before you dish it out as I say don't let this turn into one of 'those' threads again

Thats my 2 cents