Wow it's been so long since I visited this thread......

I haven't been on LFS much, but I did reverse drive on some cruise servers. They went like o_O'''

I still cannot go faster than 160kmh down the blackwood straight.....=.=

Quote from Bose321 :

YOU ARE A CHEATER!!!! BAN BAN

:bananadea

so you are one of those people who can't do it but screans to ban those who can?


Let me tell you something: you are pathetic. You don't need cheat to do 160 in reverse.

I wonder how many people actually think a reversing car at 160kmh is cheat? I have been reversing all the time on XRG on blackwood straight and they always say "OOOOH you are cheating, ban ban ban" etc..........come on people, it's not that strange.......

Scawen, if you are watching this, I want to tell you something:

this cheat system is beaten again. I already saw XRGs with 7 working gears online and some doing 260 down Blackwood main straight on reverse gear and red clutch temperature.

Thank you.

Quote from (RGR)Hui!!! :

Ahhh, this thread takes me back to.. 2006! When I was the (ONLY ONE) doing serious reversing (my name->RGR, ReverseGearRacing), in those early beta versions where you couldnt even wear out your tyres, and the XR GT Turbo was also a demo car.

I remember getting kicked and banned for sooo many times because they thought I was some noob trying to mess a race (when they saw me on the straight)

When I got into the corners everyone was like "yes I think hes using hacks" and then the same kick/ban continued

When the normal WR was about 1:24.99 at the time I managed 1:30.72 in reverse, then after 1year came along this guy who was said to be the best, he "only" managed a 1:33.xx

Keep reversing and humiliating!

I just love the way people o_O at me and ask what hack I am using, or trying to reverse with their normal sets lol

It's a shock to people seeing that a guy has passed you in reverse, with only one gear and same horsepower.....

Quote from DieselDodge :

I hit 220km/h while driving in reverse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... p;feature=player_embedded

nice, but hitting 220km/h in reverse on an oval is not really the best you can get........if you see the replay by neoman15m he did 220kmh on the TC server.......max speed of fz5 on oval is about 230........

well i'd say LFS is cooling down as new patches and new features are being released not as frequent as before.

Quote from UnknownMaster21 :

I prefer also to use brakes as high in a back. When car is taking oversteer, just press brakes, and you can probably still save your going. Also a low tyre pressures is an good option. Cornering must be also a smoother than usually

well it actually depends. The brake balance, the motion of the car etc. If the car is sliding too much (i.e. past the point of no return), no braking is able to save the oversteer. I doubt about the low tyre option because IMO it slows the car down and doesn't really gives you that much more traction. Smooth and minimal steering is required......

Quote from Das Mixu :

Can someone give me a set for reverse driving with XRG, please? Or at least tell me how to do reverse driving set?

Thanks

Well basically a reverse set is a set with low final gear ratio. That gives you the speed.

The tutorial by this thread's starter......

Quote from Neoman15M :

Well lately there has been quite a few people interested in reverse driving, and i think it would be better to put up a tutorial, not because i don't want to answer their question but because I always disappear in the middle of anything. It's just a compilation of comments in the previous thread, grouped into one tutorial. If you are not interested in reverse driving, um.........there's a more interesting thread somewhere in the forum. So, here goes:

Lesson 0: To start cracking, first get some speed in forward, and then pull the handbrake until you did a 180 and you car rolls in reverse.......remember to straighten the steering at the moment your car is backwards, else it would just do a 360..........oh, and remember to turn off clutch help......that wears out the clutch in seconds

Lesson 1: For reversing view i use the wheel mode and press R and go.........at first i use the 3rd person view and wait for it to look from the front of the car to the back, but later i found out it's hard to determine the actual slide angle (or generally speaking how the car is/is going to behave). If you can make a custom view that sets the view in reverse, that's fine. However, I would just like to point out one advantage of using the look back button is that you can always see what the rozzer is going to do or where he is..........one major disadvantage is when you let of of the button, you could accidentally steer the wrong way........

Lesson 2: How to control the car

Now, as the car is now rolling backwards, any steering input would be reflected in an opposite and magnified way. This is due to that the inertia of the rear end of the car would focus on the rear wheels. In normal cases (going forward), the weight transfer to the rear is good as you have the front wheels dragging the car to change direction, resulting in a better steering stability. When reversing, the extra load on the rear steering wheels could easily overcome the tyre's grip and the car will experience oversteer.

Car Dynamics: (Warning, the following guide is only applicable to RWDs ONLY. FWDs are a totally different matter)
To control the car, besides steering left to go right, ANY STEERING HAS TO BE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. Any excessive lock would cause your car to spin. One common problem with any reversing sets (at least with mine) is that it would start to understeer a little half way through the corner (e.g. devil's corner/drifter's corner in TC Montana). You can cure this by giving it more lock PROGRESSIVELY or indeed give it more gas (usually what i do to catapult out of a corner) to transfer more weight for more grip. Not every situation can be countered by this technique but with the right speed, there shouldn't be the need to apply for brakes mid-way through a corner.

When offroading (etc grass/sand), pay extra attention to the difference of grip between tarmac and grass, it can greatly steer the car when accelerating. Give it a lot more lock when cornering on grass.

Pay attention to the engine layout of the chosen car for reversing. FRs have their engines up front so it is easier for them to overcome rear grip. MRs have quite perfect for the job, the RAC being most used by Mr. P and god he's quick through the corners ( we both agreed after so many races and cruises : top speed is not important. It's the fun and speed it can dish out in corners which matters.). RRs would be then FFs when going forward so its handling is likewise.

Here's an extra Tip: ALWAYS RESIST THE URGE TO GIVE IT OPPOSITE LOCK when the car starts to spin. After the rear has slid more than the point of no return, which is only a little more than normal steering angle, any opposite will not only NOT save you, but it would make you spin faster. Do a proper 180, drive forward, and do a 180 to reverse again.


FWDs handles like RWDs with no steering up front and soap as tyres in the back. The above guide does not apply. The sets are so dangerous and suicidal that i am not bothering to write a guide for it here, not because i am lazy (acutally i am ) but it's that no one is gonna make a set for FWDs anyway........personally i do not suggest people use FWDs for reversing.

Spinoff: Reverse drift.

It's not really what you expect. More like oversteer, a reversing RWD can only do little drifts like most FWDs, mostly momentum induced. It's not hard to initial a oversteer, but it's hard to control it. So one tip i can offer is to go a little faster than you normally would, turn in as you normally would and then delay the time you start to give it opposite lock. That would let the car slide a bit and it would look like a car oversteering from behind.

Best car for reversing? I believe it is either the FZ5 or the RAC, but in the end, it all depends on the driver. Mr. P controlled his RAC so well even with less top speed than mine he could outrun me a few hundred meters.......and the tuning is also critical.........

Best improvement award?? that has to be awarded to the UF1. Lovely.

What car to stay off? FXO.

tip: 4WD aren't the best drivetrain to use in reverse driving........the 4WD system would seriously wear down the performance and cornering is not exactly as sharp as the other 2WDs

tip: start with a XRG.......easy to control, hone the skills, then progress to faster cars.........uf1 is good too, partly because it has the least power but also its handling has improved DRAMATICALLY when driving backwards

tip: reverse driving quite often get you into chases. Although PITs are no good to stopping reverse drivers (just get into 1st and roar away XD) , your car will eventually get damaged. Damaged camber/suspension on a reversing car is very dangerous. The car can oversteer beyond any control, so if you car is damaged, go forward. Unless of course if you want your car to end up somewhere you don't want it to go.

And finally...Here's 2 mpr of my reverse cruising (and running)

Please Skip the first 1-2 minutes in Reverse 1........
Reverse chase fail << the name means there are other cars to put things in prespective.
For my first successful escape replay, look for Saito-Reverse Cruising.........the replay was quite old you see.....


Reverse 1:
http://www.mediafire.com/?tz5mt2dzzdn
Reverse 2: (Escape failed in the end)
http://www.mediafire.com/?yzynldzhwk0
My first successful escape on reverse set:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ttmdmzmmjmz


Hope this tutorial guide can help. Cheers


Black★Rock Shooter

Quote from J.D.SKAlpel :

I'm back after a long time. And I will give you the new record with the XRG BL1
This record is now 1:42:52. Who overcomes me? (used google translator)

i think your skill is getting you closer to the time people are struggling to achieve driving forward......good job. I have stopped trying already =.=

yes, but you shouldn't go looking for it.........And dont ask here.

Quote from brandons48 :

Hehe, watching some of these replays I can only imagine the looks on their faces when you overtake them in reverse Now if only you could wave in LFS..

Yeah, that's why when i reverse I always flash my lights, put my hazards on and press my bind " you've just been overtaken by a car in reverse!" The usual responses are mostly LOL and ROFL, sometimes "wow" and some just say nothing and chase after you for laps and laps until he tailgates too close and crashes into you.

Last edited by brianbakers, Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:54.

Quote from JPeace :

It is up to the WR holder to upload their setups onto websites like setupgrid.net and setupfeild. If they don't want to upload them, then you cannot have them. Simple.

Nope. It's not that simple. In fact, I can get the whole setup from any SPR, but I won't tell you how. It's not the hotlap analyzer, I have never heard of it until now. It's the set, not information regarding the set. That is why I never upload my sprs here. I always used mprs. I still stand by my point of tuning yourself is the best way to sharpen skills.

Quote from Ichabot :

Of course, he can't. Nobody can not watch suspension and gear ratios in LFSW. Don't even try!

actually there is a way to get the setup from a SP replay, but not from MP replay. You can get the whole complete set. So given that I have the WR replay, I can get the WR set. But the best way to improve is still make your own.

Hi. I am new here. I was driving cars when I suddenly come up with a question. If I want my car to steer better, what should i use on my front wheel configuration. Toe in or toe out? I know how that affects the rear wheels to slip or grip, but the front wheels?? I just don't know, so I thought I could ask you guys from some help on this. Million thanks.