What comes for Forza, I dont know does it still aid you in some way when you've turned all the aids in the menues off, since that's how I play it.. But anyway, I try the '16 degrees' thing if it helps.. Atleast it makes sense when you say it, if it really works that way..
Also forgot to mention that I end up fishtailing alot in straight when I just try to adjust the angle a little, cause the stick is just too damn sensitive. And when you drift the counter steering is also a tad too fast even the car setup IS understeering by default.
Anyhow, lets give the 16-degree diet a try.
Thanks.