I appreciate that LFS devs have the frontality to come to us and say "the release will be postponed because of A, B and C", not leaving us in the dark.

I'd say the wheel nuts are too small. Nice work, BTW.

Quote from Not Sure :

as most drivers don't care about racing fairly, i recommend xfg. it is more resistant to ramming.

LOL.

Still, XFG is too light, the weight of the XRG helps it to cope with the bumping. XFG just flies out of Earth's gravitational field when rammed.

Topic starts with some point of view of how good CTRA has become, and I agree with that: I only race in CTRA now, because I feel it's one of the best places to race in LFS.

Then, things start going "Twilight Zone". Illness, drugs and sex come aboard. There's a teddy bear who rants in a sarcastic way. There's confessions about some damned weird and personal stuff.

And I thought all the crazy mother' where here in Portugal. Geez, for sure weird "steaks" live in the Isles.

Get well.

Don't know if this is related, but I saw a lot of timeouts tonight in CTRA Race1. Myself have timed out sometimes (critical times...).

Just for the record.

I just logged on into LFSworld and... surprise! I see here an excelent way of monitoring races...

Can't LFS just stop getting better?

Very interesting.

South City is one of the places I like to race the most, and I'd love to see some new goodies in it.

The challenging thing about SO is that it alternates very fast sections with slow/tricky sections, with those walls waiting for your mistakes.

So I guess that, while keeping this in mind, the devs could come up with some really nice new track configuration. And I think they will.

Is it that you lose all that time? I use mouse/keyboard and I just do it normally: accelerator off, gear shift and accelerator on.

Patch Y is a great patch. The game is evolving (lots of new tweaks now!), and I don't understand what's all the fuss about this patch. Who drove well before, can drive well now with the patch Y.

Patch Y.

BTW, South City (my fav) is even better, there's something very cool about it. And Chicane Course... oh yes! :yummy:

Very good job!

I've driven a bit in the new patch Y, and I like what I've seen/felt. It's moving towards more realism, not forgeting the pleasure of a videogame, which is very good.

Thanks.

Since the "game" changes, the "score" changes. I say it's only fair and consistent that the PBs be reseted.

Seems like an improvement; shall try it as opportunity arises.

Quote from Becky Rose :

I will be dropping UF1 from Race 2 and reducing TBO to silver. The UF1 can now be raced on BnJ fairly frequently. It's not the same but we just dont have the playerbase to fit it in. We tried, it didnt work, so TBO's return to silver shortly.

I guess those are great news. TBO permits a higher level of performance, but still accessibility to a great number of players, and with enjoyment. It's like STCC, but available for the general driver.

Quote from DieKolkrabe :

I'm a slow driver, and I disagree with this. How can you make sure that the 'new drivers' as you call them, will learn if they are put with other slow/new drivers? Also, why should they be demoted just because they have x ratio of yellow flags? Becky said that one of the CTRA's key points is that it is easily accessible by everyone. Why should that be disrupted due to a few drivers? Somebody (I forget who) hit the nail on the head IMO, they said 'it's down to a number of kids/new racers coming from arcade titles', Why should the CTRA have to educate them, why can't the racers on CTRA1 educate them, the times I've been on there, I've been angry at the treatment slower/newer racers get, with 'noob' thrown around casually. IMO, it's not up to Becky opening another, but the racers on the current server getting their heads out of their asses and HELPING the slower guys, teaching them about the rules. It's all very well and good having the rules page when you join, but many people click 'I agree' without reading them, or read them and then forget them.

I think you are missing the point, or maybe I didn't explained myself correctly. I'm not talking about slow racers (I'm slow, BTW), I'm talking about racers that crash often (them or others) because they are newbies or bad drivers. Hence the yellow flags ratio, by e.g.. A slow but clean driver has a good yellow flag ratio, so it shouldn't be preoccupied.

I think that this and other measures could be applied, because what you say about self-admining in CTRA1 is a nice but utopic concept, in my opinion. It only generates a wave of discontent against those people who crash leaders, either newbies or bad drivers, and soon harsh reaction will be promptier between the two sides.

DarkTimes as put is it in very plain words what's going on in CTRA1.

I enjoy very much driving XFG (specially in SO), it's a very good car for disputed races. But since it's a low powered car, the driving differences between drivers show off much more than in powerful cars. So, imagine what goes in the brain of a newbie which sees a better driver slowly moving away after exiting the corner faster. What the newbie concludes is that he must brake later with those cold tires to eliminate the difference. And the result is, usually, a rear abused vehicle...

The overlap disrespect, late braking, no lift and other abuses are, indeed, recurrent in CTRA1 (but no exclusively). We have people that don't know how to race cleanly nor fast. Sure there's the report tool, but it takes ages to perform action, and is clogged by the newbies who report fast drivers whom they don't like just because they were lectured by them, after making something messy.

Of course that I respect the work being made. The X-System is a great idea, and I think it might be a nice platform to implement even better ideas that improve quality at the servers. Which ideas?

More plainly, give the newbies an environment where they can learn how to race. A kind of CTRA1B, where newbies start and bad drivers get depromoted. That server should be a heavily monitored one, either to teach newbies the correct path to good racing, or to definitely ban really lost cases. CTRA1A should then be much more quiet, not needing much monitoring from the admins. Maybe setting new standards on the X-System based on yellow flags ratio, retirement ratio, etc, should suffice to automatically depromote the ones needing tutoring and leaving CTRA1A in a self-admining state, which would permit to apply more effort in teaching newbies and recycling some crashers in CTRA1B.

I end by saying that, most important of all, cleanliness is one of the most important things to achieve pleasure driving in the servers. Not being afraid of getting a great race ruined by a slow racer who doesn't respect a blue flag or a newbie that brakes late as a hell is a step closer to sheer driving pleasure.

Try one thing: reset your braking points to earlier times, corner with just a maximum 1/4 of wheel turn, aim for the apex and use all the width of the track. Keep doing that as you brake later and later, until you reach the limit.

Oh, and use that curbs.

I've been playing LFS for a while, since LFS S1, but just know I've decided to say hi.

I'm a mouse driver, and with a lot to learn yet.

Last edited by Nitrofurano, Sat 26 May 2007, 02:23.

You seem like a fly trapped in those glued papers.