Hey LFS devs, see pictures attached.

Found this first running the LX6 - this curb on Westhill International, either direction, consistently grabs the inside of the tyre and slings the car round. Happens the same with XRT as pictured, haven't tested beyond that. In forces view you can see extreme tyre deformation and a tyre mark conforming to the vertical surface of the curb.

If this is a re-post (or intentional design feature) please just delete

Cheers,

-Max

a fair while ago, i built a set of hand-operated desktop sim pedals and posted about them here. it garnered an encouraging amount of interest so finally i've built a revised version

i cant embed a picture, but here's the web page i just wrote for them:

http://diversion.deadbored.net/pedals2.html

the originals were designed to provide me with a better alternative to the keyboard for throttle, brake and clutch input in LFS, but i have successfully used them, in conjunction with my trusty mouse [and sometimes "mouse joystick"] to control a range of racing sims, including iRacing, Rfactor, Richard Burns Rally and GTR

LFS is still best of course


comments and enquiries welcome

Two monitors now work in full screen! see attached! thanks for the pointers Scawen!

it was winXP, and it was a setting in my catalyst drivers. i have profiles set now, as it forces my CRT to the same vertical resolution as my LCD. i have my icon layout saved with another shell extension

Last edited by i_MAXIBON, Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:47. Reason : pix!

the new patch is excellent and i haven't found any problems as far as i've looked, however i need help ands clarification on the multiple monitors subject, from someone who KNOWS the answer

i have a 1280x1024 19' LCD as my primary screen, its on the LEFT.
i have a 1600x1200 19' CRT as my secondary, its on the RIGHT.
i have an ATi X1650xt running these.

can i run LFS in full screen on both monitors, and how? can i center the view on the secondary monitor, so as to have the primary looking towards the passenger side of the car?

i am confused as to whats supported here and how to access it. stretching the window across both monitors works but is inelegant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oov5H1oNcHE

i've built something specifically for this, and i've been using it for around a year very successfully.

http://diversion.deadbored.net/pedals.html

there's lots of diagrams and details and the video of them on that page
i made a thread at the time and gathered some interest, and i am currently building a refined version, though its fundamentally similar.

they fit partially over the keyboard and when you want to troll the chat you just slip them clear of the keys.

i am considering selling them, but i dont have high production capacity at the moment.

overhauling the whole tyre model, the physics heart of lfs, without a word is legendary. its very encouraging to hear that you managed to do it on a project like this without a total re-write too. eager to play spot the difference!

sup bro i though i would post some text from your website with my unclean lepper racing fingers


Slipstreaming/Wind Drafting SOLELY to produce a Time result such as a PB.

Explanation, For Example Someone pulls an XRG around the track with a BF1. Don't be suprised. Some people will do anything to get ahead


If YOU are a No-Assist driver then tell the world.


We are a dying breed. You will not be forgotton, You are keeping it real.


LEST WE FORGET


SWEEEEET as bro, lots of creepy immortality and chest-clutching and xenophobia just in time for ANZAC day! just what the diggers died for eh bro!

but seriously, whats with the pinhead servers these days, especially in australia? Pro racing room used to be great fun till someone smoked a bit too much dope and decided to start kicking regulars and freinds for random points of difference, followed by instating a similarly obnoxious insim app and a big stand-offish EULA. then the drifters responded to this sort of immaturity with thier own gangsta waddup keep it slyydewayz localism and now regular long-time racers looking for some freindly, fun competition, are getting pelted with bad apples.

whats your fixation? this is still a computer program, on a monitor, on the internet, in which locked diffs are still faster, lag makes people disappear and running headlong into a wall at substantial speed often leaves the car 100% race effective. also you locked out all the cars that dont have an H gearbox just in case someone [me] might want to drive them instead, and perfectly legitimately i might add.

and i might add, i've NEVER, EVER seen anyone using systematic team drafting, mixed classes or otherwise, to set online pb times successfully outside the oval. you'd be surprised how much of your paranoia is both unfounded and destructive! is that a tin foil hat on your head?
i reckon you're all just scared of getting good-old-fashioned bested fair and square and having to admit defeat graciously, a bit like alan jones:




Yvonne: We sat down on a picnic blanket and they kept kicking footballs at us.

AJ: Yep, Well Australia is for all Australians. Isn’t it?

Y: Well it is Alan.

AJ: And there is standard that has to apply and if you don’t meet this standard you should be rounded up.

Y: And if we don’t have enough police what’s wrong with getting the army in?

AJ: Uh-ha.

Y: Get these blokes a bit of a rifle butt in the face and they’ll, they’ll back off, they’re cowards!

AJ: Well if it gets to that we might have to do that, you follow what I’m saying?

you follow what im saying?

Last edited by i_MAXIBON, Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:19.

hey scawen, i always wanted to generate that graph! but i could only ever look at 60 days at the outer :3

i was just racing XRGs on pro racing room with ninja et al.

and it was p.cool. as always. this is 2AM monday morning in australia too.
also the other day i was showing a mate why a 900hp nissan is dumb, using lfstweak and a version V install i found lying about. and i couldnt believe how much i noticed the difference between it and Z. so then i fired up oldskool s1 and blew my mind a little bit.
not least because i could now drive the lx6


till you look back, its easy to forget how far you've come

mouse and ... other?

as far as i know im the only one...

http://diversion.deadbored.net/pedals.html

oh mans i am being attacked by a drop-bear

DROP-BEEAARRRRGGGGHH!HH!H!


ok, lunge-cat then. originally im from the isle of wight though

fixed sorry i was working on it this afternoon [australian time okay its weird] and sort of got sidetracked making a custom 404 page. which i haven't finished either :P

oh thats right you're in australia

um, pricing. its early days, i havent exactly come up with a business plan.. but im thinking maybe charging a flat rate plus shipping to wherever in the world carmen sandiego is.

i havent assessed the competition or priced the raw materials yet either
or finished uni

my rocketry experiments are much better documented though

i thought a bit about selling these and then i had a clutch peaking / calibration losing problem and had to figure that out [a snapped wire twas the culprit], but:

Quote from MataGyula :

How mouch would you ask for making one more of that pedal set + shipping to Europe

$150 AU

i plan to post pictures and measurements and instructions for making them yourself on my website http://diversion.deadbored.net/

i'm interested in refining the design, and things i'm thinking of incorporating are a different sort of potentiometer with a different-shaped shaft, and thus a simpler pedal mounting, and maybe making the pedals out of aluminium, and MAYBE even a button box.



HOWEVER



if you fine, handsome and discerning potential customers really want me to make you a set, hand-crafted in the best and most fragrant wood, aluminium and steel, signed and dated and editioned and with a drawing of a kangaroo, i will of course.

but i think i should have a yarn to leo bodnar if he'll accomodate me, because this might generate sales of his little black boxes of goodness, and he knows exactly how to go about selling things in a honest and effective way.

thanks for your comments and interest

give it a wide berth then. i think the reason why you can get away with it by cutting it more heavily is that your car bounces off it bodily, unloading that wheel a bit.

the gtr's are similar, using the floorpan as a bashplate on fern bay, nudging off the tyres to correct your airborne trajectory, and generally just abusing your license to kill.

snapping off your spoilers and turning your F1 into a cadillac [700+hp caddy coming soon!] will make you drive more conservatively. like, on the track for example.

yes i am an icecream here too

Quote from Technique :

do you find it uncomfortable to operate your car using the pedals?

not at all, im 21 and most weekdays i drive this old honda which has manual everything including the choke, and doesnt take kindly to lazy gearchanges. my mate has a G25 which i've had a few goes of, and its almost second nature to me. the gearstick is way too cute of course, but otherwise i find it intuitive.

yet i havent bought one for myself. apart from the price, i find the forcefeedback quite disconcerting - maybe its just how its set up but i find it hard to follow. i get my racing "feel" from listening and watching, and i can tell exactly whats going on and what will happen next.

i guess im just not used to it, and it is a lot of fun, but the extra feel and feedback doesnt justify the annoying setup / setdown each time, for me anyway. im not disabled or retarded or anything

as for what is fastest, you have to make it work for you. a lot of people use auto-clutch, but i dont think it really gives an advantage. lots of people are very fast with a wheel, other records are held by mouse. keyboard, not so much.

since you're still laughing at my pedals, here is a quick video i made of them in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oov5H1oNcHE

brake is closest, accelerator is in the middle and clutch is at the back.

Last edited by i_MAXIBON, Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:33.

i use my blackwood race setup for the XRT everywhere, and its fast in most places. westhill just has really long, fast corners and some awkward elevation changes so you need to double the antiroll settings at both ends, and then add 5 to the front to reduce the oversteer.

the faster cars with lots of grip really need to be carefully set up more than the road ones, which need to be driven more carefully.
i dont know how anyone drives with understeering sets though

yeah guys, research for less fail?

i chose "other plz post moar kittiez" because i think the proposal sucks. the turbo class is really good, has lots of grip, goes very fast and is just fun. thats why people have been playing it for nigh on 40 years.

if you want to drive something "faster and with more grip and with better handling and more like a race car" then drive the fox. that is what the turbo class is like with slicks, use lfstweak if you dont believe me.

there are already awesome GTRs and compact touring cars. maybe a couple of rwd compcts would be cool in the later class, but part of its appeal is the chuckable cars and close racing.

why not give the LX4 some buddies and get a bit creative for a change? intellectual property can be created, as well as modified.

no worries my international mate, thanks for your interest! i bought a special box from Leo Bodnar [hes on the RSC forums a lot]:

http://leobodnar.com/products/DFPG25conn/

in england, and when it got here i built the 'pedals' to pivot on the potentiometers - they're linear [B] 250k ohms types. the pots wire to a serial plug, and everything else plugs together using a USB printer cable.

NO programming or drivers required.

i just worked it out as i went along, accuracy is very good considering the <10 degree travel. stops / return springs are a matter of experimentation though.

its not that offtopic i dont reckon so ask me any questions you might have and i can take more pictures if you want

posting in other lerts thread.

i used the mouse for a couple of years of modestly successful league racing, but the digital pedals finally got to me

so i built pedals to cover the three buttons i was using for go, stop and clutch:




they are faster than vtec y0!

actually the main advantage is much more adaptable input, so i dont tend to overheat my tyres anywhere near as badly, which is going to make a much bigger difference in racing than in qualifying.

Last edited by i_MAXIBON, Wed, 16 Jul 2008 05:05.

posting in lerts thread

or honda what about honda you haters.

i am one of those very lucky to have raced karts, though i stopped years ago because the track was a long way away and the budget seriously wouldn't run to it. whoever said karting was affordable must have been thinking about nuclear war at the time, because its definitely dog eat dog on the real racetrack.

scawen really said it with his mount everest analogy - it has aspects of the real thing, and if its good it will have core aspects of the real thing, and thats it.

my track experience with karts was one of vibration, the sort that makes your skin itch like glassfibre. bruised ribcage, cramped hands, watering eyes, the smell of petrol and moreso of hot tyres and movement everywhere you turn your head are all left out of lfs.

they're replaced with telemetry you can read, air you can breathe, adjustments that dont cost money, teleportation between racetracks and cars that grow on trees. there are no 'its legal if the scrutineer doesnt comment' modifications and the sociability quotient is [okay generally] way up compared to race day with the local megalomaniacs. best of all, CAMS is left out with their fees and forms.

i agree that many of the skills are common - focus and anticipation with an attempt at calm and smooth responses for driving, patience and a certain level of calculating detachment for long races, and application of the scientific method to problems like setup, line and When Not To Pass.

therefore in terms of immediate experience, a skateboard is closer - buy one and see. over a longer term however, as it all gets more familiar, lfs gets closer to the actual business of racing. then over the much longer term, through the seasons, it moves away again and back into its own territory - it remains similar whatever the weather, time of day or state of the piston ring is. i think it has its own zone, which converges with 'the motorsport reality' somewhere in the middle, gradually expanding each way.

if you can visualise this then you might understand if i say i hope it doesnt totally eclipse it - then i would miss them both

as for the actual V1 championship, i'd probably hate the real thing but tryouts might be fun - can we do it in the antipodes and how?

thanks giise. i figgered it out, it was of course my computer saying "no" and not lfs at all. dxdiag listed my cpu as 1.0ghz. i have a multiplier-unlocked early-batch AMD barton cpu and an nf-7s board, both of which are fairly old now. when i disconnect the power and let the psu discharge, the hardware will configure itself at boot as a 3200+ [200.0mhz x 11], though its actually rated at 2500+ [166.6mhz x 11], load up windows and then start spitting out errors. the actual fsb and multiplier i set in the bios dont change, it just seems to ignore them and super-size itself, so i have to reboot and choose NEW figures, reboot with THOSE and then change it back to 200mhz x 10. then it boots up and everything is fine. untill i disconnect the power, of course.

but it always overclocks itself. this is the first time its underclocked itself, and the first time its done it WITHOUT the power disconnected. i should replace the bios battery shouldn't i?

regarding disinterested aesthetic contemplation, 1: yes i can you see if i dont and 2: especially if you started it anyway

actually since im using the test patch and am therefore a tester, i will act like a tester and provide some sort of feedback:

i am getting unplayable framerates
let me explain: on wednesday night i raced in the AAL and got-r-done well - large absentee count meant very good, solid framerates, and super happy funtime.

on thursday i downloaded y18 or y19, cant recall which, to try out the replay additions on the MPRs saved last night. i noted the framerates ranged from kinda gritty to heffalumps galore [9fps] which didnt make sense.

today i got y20, hoping it would fix it, but i still have framerates as low as 6 / second. i went online with about 10 others just now and it was so bad i got laughed at by DRIFTERS.

the shame is unbearable. AA and AF are OFF in LFS and in the drivers. theres no obvious system hogg processes running. the computer has been freshly turned on.

specs: 9800 Pro, catalyst 5.7, a gig of ram, athlon XP @ 10x200mhz, 1152x864x32bit.

is it normal to get worse framerates with these patches?

a couple of pages late but can i just say


HAHAHA "more sophisticated colours"



i need another wine. great work on the everything as usual please feel encouraged despite the "sophisticated aesthetic critique" being "offered"

im so confused

i hope this helps

help me