If I remember correctly they tried abs in DTM during the early 90's (long time ago..) and lap times where reduced - with several seconds. It got banned fairly fast..

Modern abs does not just reduce braking pressure, it tries to optimum brake each wheel individually - something that just isnt possible for a human to do with one pedal.

Quote from nihilist :

it is possible to stop more quickly with ABS disabled, especially on track

Not on track..? Why do race cars use it (in series where its allowed of course) then?

Quote from Jakg :

How you can say ABS isn't good is ludicrous, though - ABS modulates each wheel individually, which is something NO-ONE can do because you have one pedal

Yeah, I'm a bit amazed about how well some people think they can brake. Against a modern abs system you will probably have problems matching just the stopping distance even when fully focused only on the braking. And then try to do with when focusing on other things on the road/track..

I saw an interesting "test" on some tv-show. Westfield xtr4 (no abs) vs mercedes s-class; braking from 160km/t and avoiding an obstacle. Since the Westfield is around 1,5 tonns lighter you would think this wasnt going to be much of a fight. Of course, lots of elements into this, driver, tires etc, but it was still quite interesting to see that the big mercedes stopped around 20 meters before the westfield. I've seen much of the same on track days; even with much more weight, newer cars can brake later and far into the corner due to superior braking systems. I can fully understand that some people don't want it because it takes some of the skill/fun out of driving however.

A Norwegian race driver said that one of the reasons his Z4 race car is so quick is that they have good electronic stability systems. Of course, in road cars, ESP and the likes isnt tuned for performance and tend to kill the power, so you're better off without.

Quote from BlueFlame :

How can ABS be a nuisence? It's a life saver and only kicks in when you need it so it's impossible for it to become a nuisence.... Your cars ecu must be ****in crazy.

Not only a life saver, but also superior to any human. Obviously, a human with one pedal vs a system that can brake each wheel independently isnt really a fair match..

However, he said he drove a vx, and those cars seems to have some sort of problem with the abs. An unusual number of people turns it off in those.

You people not liking electric cars, have you driven the Tesla? I have, and yes, its shitty build quality (but so is an elise!), it weights way too much for its size, and it has very limited range.. but it still is fantastic.

The feeling when it accelerates can't be described. You get supercar-acceleration, and you are still able to hear the birds.

I use the right foot in a real car, so then its right foot in games aswell. Open wheelers and other things without a third pedal might be different, but I rarely drive those.

Quote from durbster :

Really? I've never seen somebody using the heel on the brake and I can't find any examples on You Tube.

Oh, I didnt mean that you actually used the heel on the brake, just that heel is closer to the brake than to the throttle or something.

Basically what tristan said earlier.

I got an invite the other day and tried it out yesterday. Quite surprised about this, but it feels better than LFS. Don't like the web-system around it, but it does work, so can't complain too much.

However.. I doubt I will be playing it for more than the month I payed for. I don't care for open wheelers and weird racing cars leaving only the solstice for me to use. I don't care for ovals either, so half the tracks are out aswell.

Both are used, but I think heel on brake is more common. I use heel on throttle though.

Other way around for me. Heel in real life, side in LFS.

Heel'n'toe is only used when braking as the guy over here said, so why you want to use that before overtaking somebody is beyond me. Rev-matching on the other hand...

And rev-matching should be done on every downshift*, and if that downshift is while braking, you heel'n'toe. There isnt much more to it really.. of course things are a bit different from sims to reality, but everything is..

Btw.. If its less wear on the transmission you want, you should start double-clutching.

*one exception might be down to 1. sometimes, if you want it to be more brutal to help the car in a tight turn.

I'm amazed that people actually want a game about driving around in traffic. The only ones that can find that funny is people without a driving license..

Quote from The Very End :

Lol yes, Norwegian sucks big time

Why, if I might ask?

Quote from The Very End :

norwegian sucks

No it does not!

However, I also prefer english for everything computer-related.

Admins can't be around all the time. My experience with online game(r)s is that if its possible to exploit something - someone will do it - often screwing up the game for everybody else.

Quote from VoiD :

Sigh...
Did some pick-up races on BL1 (XFG-XRG 12laps) . The "exploit" is still there. It seems to be a common shortcut for all now... Severall mpr´s on my HDD

I had a guy behind me who took that route and rammed me when coming out on the other side. Then he called me a crasher and called a vote. Just fantastic.

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As i see it - Blue Flag means to make Racing Line free.
Why? Because the car that was overlaped - isn't fighting for the place[and usually not podium too], and First racers shouldn't be unfluenced by ruining their times,because of passing somebody by wrong line.

As I see it - this is wrong. Racing is not hotlapping, and leaders should expect to lose some time when lapping people. The lapped guys might still be fighting for position even though they are a lap behind.

A more common case online is that leaders are catching people that just joined and really isnt racing - and in that case it might be right to get out of the way. However.. it is more predictable to just stay on the racing line.

Quote from hazardboy :

thats not the initial idea, but look at how many that play cruise. at least 1/3 of LFS'ers play cruise (not constantly :P) so that means it CAN be used to that as well

That only tells me that 1/3 of LFS'ers should go find something else to play.

Live for speed: online real life simulator?

You got to be kidding right?

Still someone buying 4:3 monitors?

Get a widescreen, 22" or 24" and be happy. If a game doesnt support widescreen these days its not worth playing.

Quote from tristancliffe :

No driver in the history of mankind will actually WANT those systems for driving pleasure, or at any time on the public roads.

I do enjoy shifting manually with heel'n'toe and everything, but as long as I get a system where I have full control over the shifting - I'd take that any day.

BMW's SMG for example have no downsides. Its not like moving the stick manually is everything when it comes to driving pleasure either. If so, there are lots of really boring race cars...

I have far less impressive specs then that (except much better gfx-card), and I seldom drop below 60 fps where its locked. Running 1920x1200, everything on full and 4xAA.

So...

Quote from eunosroadster :

Also, how are you guys heel-toeing? Im really trying to make it smooth, but unless its a single downshift, my braking suffers. I notice that I have to lift the break pedal to reach the throttle pedal, and as such my breaking comes in unsteady pulsing motion, slowing me down quiet a lot.

Raise the brake/clutch pedals (thread about that in hardware-section) and wear shoes. Gets a lot easier then.

LX4 and XRT setups are great - this is how LFS should feel default imo! The RAC one feels a bit woobly on the straights, but then it is the RAC...

Btw... You use 0 preload now.. is that a realistic setting?

Quote from Hallen :

Well, he is using a joy stick instead of a wheel in the first place. Simulating a real environment is not a high priority.

But is LFS really the right game then? Its just an average looking game with few cars and tracks... GT4 or Forza seems more like the thing.