It *might* be possible but I still think ignition cut is a must, and that's because without it, every shift will rev up the engine some (auto clutch). Unless there's something new I don't know about... last time I really played was before patch Z some years ago. What's this clutch pressure stuff you've been mentioning? Is it built into the game or is it like a tweak program?
I remember thinking of adding in a short clutch hold (c key) to simulate this exact thing, but it had to be done after the ignition got cut, and timed perfectly or else the revs would probably sound jumpy. You might like to try modifying "shifttime" in the config to a higher number (it's in milliseconds, so 1000 is 1 sec) That'll determine how long after the shift the ignition takes to turn back on. Maybe a combination of that and holding c for a moment during the shift, might get the effect you're looking for.
I remember thinking of adding in a short clutch hold (c key) to simulate this exact thing, but it had to be done after the ignition got cut, and timed perfectly or else the revs would probably sound jumpy. You might like to try modifying "shifttime" in the config to a higher number (it's in milliseconds, so 1000 is 1 sec) That'll determine how long after the shift the ignition takes to turn back on. Maybe a combination of that and holding c for a moment during the shift, might get the effect you're looking for.
Source code coming soon
For all those curious, my LFS Shifter program is made with Autohotkey script and so is unable to send or modify controller inputs as far as I know, so the way everything works is by sending keyboard strokes in certain conditions, and although that sounds simple, those conditions can actually get a little complex. In other words my program can't talk directly with the game, BUT, as a workaround it "indirectly" reads RPM, gear, etc, from the included "Outgauge program," because THAT program can read directly from the game. Originally my script couldn't read from that program so I modified it with Delphi(? I think?) to change everything to text boxes, which is something Autohotkey is able to read from. Without the outgauge window, my script/program is 100% useless because it can't read directly from the game. So thank you to whoever made that outgauge program yearsss ago! I can't believe it still works.
screamingz1 - so with that said, sorry, I wish there was a way for the stall you're asking for. Unless there's some creative way of "emulating" it via keyboard yourself? (which can then be emulated by Autohotkey). At every shift I have it set to cut the ignition, shift, then quickly turn ignition back on. But this might help - I remember being able to make it SOUND like it by changing the in-game car sound options (shift+A if I remember?), and basically making it so deceleration is the same loudness and tone as acceleration... kinda gives a similar effect, because cutting the ignition no longer changes how the engine sounds.
I wonder if for all those having issues running it, assuming you all have followed instructions 100%, are you using a different language than English, either in Windows or LFS? You can try temporarily setting everything to English, and see if it works.
I'd like to release my source code (soon, in another post) for LFS Shifter for anyone interested in changing something about it, or possibly making their own version in a "real" programming language, and for those maybe just curious to see how it works. All you'll need is Autohotkey, and that'll let you open the script up in notepad to see and change it however you like. I haven't been playing LFS for years, and I didn't really expect for my shifter to stay on the first page on this forum for so long, so I think it's time.
screamingz1 - so with that said, sorry, I wish there was a way for the stall you're asking for. Unless there's some creative way of "emulating" it via keyboard yourself? (which can then be emulated by Autohotkey). At every shift I have it set to cut the ignition, shift, then quickly turn ignition back on. But this might help - I remember being able to make it SOUND like it by changing the in-game car sound options (shift+A if I remember?), and basically making it so deceleration is the same loudness and tone as acceleration... kinda gives a similar effect, because cutting the ignition no longer changes how the engine sounds.
I wonder if for all those having issues running it, assuming you all have followed instructions 100%, are you using a different language than English, either in Windows or LFS? You can try temporarily setting everything to English, and see if it works.
I'd like to release my source code (soon, in another post) for LFS Shifter for anyone interested in changing something about it, or possibly making their own version in a "real" programming language, and for those maybe just curious to see how it works. All you'll need is Autohotkey, and that'll let you open the script up in notepad to see and change it however you like. I haven't been playing LFS for years, and I didn't really expect for my shifter to stay on the first page on this forum for so long, so I think it's time.
I'm glad to hear!
gigi91430ita, robin898, Darecki ~
is this test version working for you all? Please let me know.
I will make a test version for those of you with the strange shifting trouble. I will just take out the extra dynamic part of it and please tell me if it works correctly. I am not able to test on other computers... my netbook runs LFS but not the outgauge window lol 
Here is the test: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22557 ... 20Shifter%20v6%20test.zip
Here is the test: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22557 ... 20Shifter%20v6%20test.zip
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You're right! That's what it was. Try the new 32bit version I have put up. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/225573 ... %20v6%2032bit%20fixed.zip
Also I'd like to know if this version fixes the problem you have gigi91430ita?
Freddy and Darecki,
This is the first I've heard of that... is it downloading correctly from the website? Which file is causing this error?
edit: I get this too on my other laptop... I'm not sure why but I will try to fix it and let you know how it goes
I am completely stumped... it makes no sense what it's doing there. All I can think is if your configuration files are blank or something? Check your config files please. What happens if you delete the config folder and run LFS Shifter as administrator?
Is anybody else having this same problem?
Is anybody else having this same problem?
This is really strange... is the outgauge window picking up everything right? Like your throttle %, speed, and everything else. I have no idea why your extra RPM is stuck... mine changes. I remember this happening last time I tried putting it in.
If you could make a video of what's going on for you and have the debug GUI up as well, that might help me figure out something. Could you do that?
I don't understand why this happens for you... Can you tell me what the debug window says in "Throttle extra shift RPM:" ? and maybe also what mode it says it's shifting, like "Mode: shiftup"
Yes it works online
A new version is now available, version 6!
Check out my first post on page 1 for details
Check out my first post on page 1 for details
Hi
I've been working on LFS Shifter off and on recently, and here are a couple new things I am working on that I believe will make it behave more realistic and dynamic:
- Shifting points are no longer always at set "static" RPM. It is now more dynamic depending on the throttle.
Example:
Before: Around half throttle: shifts at 5000rpm always.
After: Around half throttle: shifts at 5000-6700rpm depending on throttle position
- What gear you're in will affect how throttle and RPM determines shifting points. As you go through the gears, it will shift at lower and lower RPMs. For example, if you hold the throttle in the same position from a stop, 1st gear would be 5,000rpm, 2nd gear 4000, 3rd gear 3500, etc. Before, it would always be at 5,000rpm in all gears.
- I changed how shifting works a little bit so hopefully it's not so sensitive and always shifting.
Stay tuned for the next version!
I've been working on LFS Shifter off and on recently, and here are a couple new things I am working on that I believe will make it behave more realistic and dynamic:
- Shifting points are no longer always at set "static" RPM. It is now more dynamic depending on the throttle.
Example:
Before: Around half throttle: shifts at 5000rpm always.
After: Around half throttle: shifts at 5000-6700rpm depending on throttle position
- What gear you're in will affect how throttle and RPM determines shifting points. As you go through the gears, it will shift at lower and lower RPMs. For example, if you hold the throttle in the same position from a stop, 1st gear would be 5,000rpm, 2nd gear 4000, 3rd gear 3500, etc. Before, it would always be at 5,000rpm in all gears.
- I changed how shifting works a little bit so hopefully it's not so sensitive and always shifting.
Stay tuned for the next version!
Yes it works in z28, and should work for future versions until outgauge is updated/changed or something.
Morpha, does that outgauge relay mean it's now possible to use multiple outgauge ports at once? For example, CSR and my LFS Shifter; I don't know how to make them both work at the same time because I can only put one port in LFS' cfg.txt.
That error shows when the outgauge window shows "---" in the boxes. The --- will turn into numbers and stuff once you get on track, and if not, you didn't follow instructions in the readme (section 2: installation) I guess.
I think you're talking about the huge loss of power once you drop into 1st or 2nd, right? I notice that too, I hate it! I think the term for it is called "turbo lag". it's a bit too extreme in the GTR cars in my opinion, and is exactly the reason I never drive the GTRs with turbo (FXR, XRR). 
I also notice it in FXO & RB4, but it's not as bad as the GTRs that go from "500 horsepower to 50."
I also notice it in FXO & RB4, but it's not as bad as the GTRs that go from "500 horsepower to 50."It will work for demo if the outgauge window works (project1.exe). I've never tried it in demo mode, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work.
If you were on track and it said that error, it means the outgauge window hasn't gotten the info from LFS, so it's likely that you didn't set up the port in LFS cfg (read the included readme.txt for instructions).5.6b is now released, mostly a bugfix version. See first post for download link.
- CHANGE: 1 gear kickdown is now faster (mostly for economic mode)
- CHANGE: project1.exe now closes automatically when exiting shifter
- FIX: removed a new feature from 5.5 that was causing problems
- FIX: sport mode had incorrect "redline" (HighestRPM) values in the supplied config folder
Note: if you want to keep your button/key mapping, backup your config\default_shiftercfg.ini
- CHANGE: 1 gear kickdown is now faster (mostly for economic mode)
- CHANGE: project1.exe now closes automatically when exiting shifter
- FIX: removed a new feature from 5.5 that was causing problems
- FIX: sport mode had incorrect "redline" (HighestRPM) values in the supplied config folder
Note: if you want to keep your button/key mapping, backup your config\default_shiftercfg.ini
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OK, so is this right?
WITH: bugged
WITHOUT: fixed
Can you other people with the problem test this as well? I will take the offset feature out if that's the whole problem.
WITH: bugged
WITHOUT: fixed
Can you other people with the problem test this as well? I will take the offset feature out if that's the whole problem.
Thank you for the detailed bug report! I watched the replay and put my debug up while you drove in the replay, it never said the shiftup2 for trying putting in 2nd. I also test drove on your replay and I had no problems, this is very weird!
Can you go into the configuration GUI (right click icon, configuration) and see if it matches the screenshot I attached? If anything is different, please tell me. If it's the same as mine... then I'm stumped. I'm going to upload the latest version here as a test (only the LFSshifter exe, so keep your old one), could you test if this version still does it? It has a new thing in the debug called "offset", and it should not ever go under 0 or over 3000. It goes up with throttle and tells it how many more RPM to wait until shifting, to make shifting points seem more dynamic. It's a new feature since 5.5, I don't know if this is the cause.
Actually I'm going to upload 2, one WITH the offset, one WITHOUT. I'm going to put them both in a zip; they should be extracted to the folder you already have. Please check whether the problem happens in both of them.
TEST VERSION LINK: [removed], see first post for latest version
(LFS forum attachment thing still won't accept my Autohotkey exe files, and says they're either invalid or didn't pass the virus test)
I watched the replay and put my debug up while you drove in the replay, it never said the shiftup2 for trying putting in 2nd. I also test drove on your replay and I had no problems, this is very weird! Can you go into the configuration GUI (right click icon, configuration) and see if it matches the screenshot I attached? If anything is different, please tell me. If it's the same as mine... then I'm stumped. I'm going to upload the latest version here as a test (only the LFSshifter exe, so keep your old one), could you test if this version still does it? It has a new thing in the debug called "offset", and it should not ever go under 0 or over 3000. It goes up with throttle and tells it how many more RPM to wait until shifting, to make shifting points seem more dynamic. It's a new feature since 5.5, I don't know if this is the cause.
Actually I'm going to upload 2, one WITH the offset, one WITHOUT. I'm going to put them both in a zip; they should be extracted to the folder you already have. Please check whether the problem happens in both of them.
TEST VERSION LINK: [removed], see first post for latest version
(LFS forum attachment thing still won't accept my Autohotkey exe files, and says they're either invalid or didn't pass the virus test)
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For everyone having this problem:
Sorry, it sounds like something I might have bugged, but I don't know what it is because it's not happening to me. What version, 5.6? Could you go into the debug GUI and tell me if it says anything like "shiftup2" or similar while it does it? It should say it at the very bottom for a small time during the shifts. Also this is happening while sitting still and shifting into 1st? Does it happen from neutral? Does it still happen once you get going a decent speed?
Also if you haven't deleted/overwritten the config folder from older versions, please do that and let me know if it still happens. I included a config folder, it's recommended to use that one and then configure it how you like based on that.
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Oops (again)!
There, I reuploaded and updated download link to have the readme. There's so many things I have to update when releasing that it's easy to forget one of them.The only things you really need to do is turn autoclutch on, and gear shift mode to sequential. The other keyboard stuff in the instructions should already be LFS default. I'm pretty sure that's separate from wheel/controller configuration; you don't need to sacrifice your current wheel settings.
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Version 5.6 is released! Check first post for download link.
Changes since 5.5:
- Rev Limiter
- CHANGE: shift+p and shift+s now pauses the shifter
- FIX: it sometimes got the wrong car's values when changing cars with other cars on track
The Rev Limiter acts like the one in Gran Turismo 1-4 (not sure on anything newer, never played). It activates in gears N, R, and 4+ (MaxGears) by default.
NOTE: Now that the pit shortcut pauses the shifter, you must unpause it yourself OR press enter or numpadenter to exit garage. I did this because LFS seems to spectate other cars on track while you're in pits, so it made the shifter think that's you and it goes crazy.
Changes since 5.5:
- Rev Limiter
- CHANGE: shift+p and shift+s now pauses the shifter
- FIX: it sometimes got the wrong car's values when changing cars with other cars on track
The Rev Limiter acts like the one in Gran Turismo 1-4 (not sure on anything newer, never played). It activates in gears N, R, and 4+ (MaxGears) by default.
NOTE: Now that the pit shortcut pauses the shifter, you must unpause it yourself OR press enter or numpadenter to exit garage. I did this because LFS seems to spectate other cars on track while you're in pits, so it made the shifter think that's you and it goes crazy.
It sounds like you're using an old version, make sure you have latest from first post (v5.5 right now). Older versions used scroll lock if I remember, but I've changed it so you can configure it to any key or wheel/joystick button.
LFS shifter v5.5 is released! See first post for download link and changes/details.
(LFS forum must not have a Autohotkey-friendly virus scanner, it wouldn't let me attach it.)
(LFS forum must not have a Autohotkey-friendly virus scanner, it wouldn't let me attach it.)
Nice find Craig010! That workaround will take away a little bit of the "dynamics", but spacing the RPM shifting points out a little more might help compensate for that. If I ever incorporate per-car configurations, I will see if I can add a fourth shifting point designed for around redline (instead of using shifting light). Currently it's not possible for my shifter to read the car name from project1.exe window - the window's source would need to be edited again. I am looking to make it possible and fix the shift light problem soon!
update: yea, this whole Delphi and coding thing is way beyond me, I can't figure out how to get it to read the new DL_SHIFT. I spent at least an hour trial and erroring, mostly resulting in frustration. Until someone better comes along, I definitely can't fix the shift light. I might contact the author of the project1 source and see if they can fix it, and then I can edit it to work with my shifter again. If this happens, I have some new extra features in mind that CarSoundRemixer (CSR) brought, that I will probably put in.
That workaround will take away a little bit of the "dynamics", but spacing the RPM shifting points out a little more might help compensate for that. If I ever incorporate per-car configurations, I will see if I can add a fourth shifting point designed for around redline (instead of using shifting light). Currently it's not possible for my shifter to read the car name from project1.exe window - the window's source would need to be edited again. I am looking to make it possible and fix the shift light problem soon!update: yea, this whole Delphi and coding thing is way beyond me, I can't figure out how to get it to read the new DL_SHIFT. I spent at least an hour trial and erroring, mostly resulting in frustration. Until someone better comes along, I definitely can't fix the shift light.
I might contact the author of the project1 source and see if they can fix it, and then I can edit it to work with my shifter again. If this happens, I have some new extra features in mind that CarSoundRemixer (CSR) brought, that I will probably put in.
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