I was finally able to compare myself to Lewis Hamilton since ex-lfs driver Valtteri Bottas raced in the same car as him.

What impresses me most is that 10 years later (although I don't like driving LFS since a couple of years anymore) there is still no alternative to this.

If I had to bet I'd bet it's Kubica
in the second Mercedes..

Goooo, Nico!

Of course it's Grosjeans fault.
Anybody who's been watching
gp2, f3 in the past few years
knows that ...

Are there any info about, what exactly
FOTA is planning to do, talking about "a
great victory for the fans"?

I really can't see how this is going to change anything.

Any non-title-challenging team and driver won't even
recognize the new rules, since they're still racing to
the point-system.

Title-challenging-drivers:
The idea of having more battles up infront is total
nonsense to me. This seems to be based on the idea
that becoming second or third instead of first or
second is a matter of will. And I have absolutely no
clue how you get to this conclussion. If you are
20 secs down after 2/3 of the race this is for a reason
and you really won't be able to change this reason just
by "really beeing willed to win because you need the medal".
The reason is probably not the pace you're willing to set
but the pace you're able to set.

On the other hand working yourself threw the field from
15th, as a title-challenging driver actually is a question
of will. The pace you're able to set will probably be fast
enough to make it into the points... but there's no reason
for doing so anymore, is there?

So the new rules will only have an positive effect in some
very special situations. A fast car behind a car way slower
in the top 5 for example. (Hamilton behind Rosberg last year).
The pace to overtake + the hopes of one or two drivers infront
withdrawing should have been enough to get Hamilton to make
some moves instead of camping behind him...

...but these situations are so rare that I, as I already said, really
can't see how this is going to change anything. Just another piece
of FIA-nonsense.

edit: Oh, I forgot. A bit OT, but:
What the heck are drivers thinking when they say "I really don't
know how the fans are supposed to understand this system...".
WTF? Not understanding a freaking point-system with a medal
on top? These dudes really seem to be totally out of space.
Especially Button adding "well, I do understand the logic of it".
I bow down to him. And I really appreciate that he takes care
of all of us who unfortunately must go threw life without his
god-like sense of logic... :thumbs:

Last edited by AdonisAmaronis, Thu 19 Mar 2009, 16:23.

Quote from Mackie The Staggie :

But Lewis's and Massa's mistakes were rookie mistakes........ I don't remember the likes of Senna, Schumacher etc etc making such blatant rookie mistakes.

Adelaide '94.

Come on. Let's just stop it.
Lewis is champ and it's well deserved.

Quote from zeugnimod :

A truly deserving champion should not break under pressure, should he?

Nah, he should lose his third place in the championship
by qualyfing 13th and not passing a Force India for
nearly the whole race. --> Kubica

Or by going straight threw the gravel nearly three or
four times in one race and slammig it right into the wall
in another --> Alonso

Don't get me wrong. I'm quite a fan of Alonso and Kubica
and believe that Hamilton did way more mistakes then he
should have but just assuming others would have done
it better is a bit to simple...

Quote from GFresh :

Can someone tell me who this guy is in my attachment please?

I've developed quite a hatred for the guy since seeing him w00p for joy after Massa spun Hamilton out in Japan...

Haha,... that's the best thing 'bout the whole clip.
I love it. It's awesome. Just can't stop watching it.

Especially after reading threw all these cockeyed
postings trying to prove that Glock-was-paid BS.
Makes me laugh even louder.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Poor fair Ferrari. Poor brazillian
multimillionaire. Spare me.

It couldn't have been any better. Perfect finish!

Somehow I just can't get this pic of out of my
head. It shows a few older aged, grey-haired
perverts pointing at me. Saying: "You can go
**** yourself, you worthless fan. You ain't
worth shit to this sport!"

Di Grassi won Macao beating Kubica 2005, didn't he?
Loved that race.

Di Grassi was clearly GP2's best this year. I'm just
not quite sure if this shows us how good he is or
how incapable the rest of field was.

What's quite funny is that I hate Piquet's guts mostly
since he wrecked di Grassi in some Kart Event in Brazil
like an arrogant Blackwood-Noob leading Michael Schumacher
to win that event.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

They denied us the chance to see Schumacher show Hamilton that his aggressive driving is nothing in comparison to what a grown man with a similar attitude would do.

Jep, instead Hamilton had to race against this spanish guy...
This, erm, Alfonso Bonso or something? This one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDYBeYCcUFE

Alonso was such a nobody compared to Schumi and his
grown man attitude.

Quote from amp88 :

He also did the same with Fisichella when he was overtaking, pushing him onto the white line and causing him to miss the first chicane. The point is that Hamilton didn't need to be doing that but he felt the need to.

With the new rules there will always be a need to do that, now.
Sure, Webber wouldn't have been able to overtake him in that
chicane but, hey, let's just push him off the track, getting that
bonus that forbids him to overtake in the next corner aswell.

Most drivers thought the Spa-decission was quite right,
so they should probably be fine with this, too...

Quote from Mustafur :

Massa and kimi are way too low and bourdais is way higher then were he really is.

In his "current form" (after spa) he's rated "way too high" in group 3 of 4.
You don't like him, eh.

Kimi and Massa in one group with Hamilton and Alonso? No, way. Not doing that. Not after rain-races. Not after comparing on-boards of last years Monaco- and USA- or this years Spa-qualys to all these WTF?-moments watching Massa missing apexs on laps he appears to be quickest. Hell, noo...

And group 2 is actually a list of drivers who's speed you can't really rate due to a lack of serious teammates. But I'd give them good chances to be quicker then Massa and Kimi if they were in a Ferrari.

So everybody is perfectly in place.

But what buffers me. How can you put Trulli and Glock in one group?
Trulli is clearly ahead of Glock.

Last edited by AdonisAmaronis, Fri 12 Sep 2008, 13:16.

Quote from JamesF1 :

I cannot honestly believe the number of people in this thread who are suggesting that sticking to the rule book is stupid, or in some way 'fanboy-ish'. That simply goes to prove your own fanboyism. You don't even want your driver to win by following the rules, you just want him to win. You're looking like a bunch of Schumacher fans. We seriously don't need that level of 'win at all costs' again.

Screw the 'spirit of the sport' as far as the incident goes - the decision was made by the rules. I don't agree with the rules as they stand (and OldBloke made a decent suggestion), but they are the rules and that's what everyone who goes out on the track agrees to be governed by. Whether a driver or team misinterprets them, or whatever, it's not an issue... the stewards make the decision, they made their decision, it's supported by the rules, that's it.

What excactly is your point?

Quote from Mustafur :

Your joking right?

I should have put Vettel to 2 but the rest is fine.
What buffers you about it?

Top group(People who can win world championships)
Alonso
Hamilton
Rosberg
Kubica

2nd group:
Trulli
Webber
Kovy

3rd group:
Massa
Vettel
Bourdais
Heidfeld
Glock
Fisichella
Kimi

4th group:
Nakajima
Button
Barrichello
Coulthard
Sutil
Piquet

Last edited by AdonisAmaronis, Wed 10 Sep 2008, 20:51.

All this doesn't even matter.

The facts are:
Hamilton was behind Raikonnen at Start/Finish and
Hamilton had less mph then Raikonnen at Start/Finish.

So the only thing left to have an advantage at is the
gap between both. Now you can assume that Hamilton
was closer than he would have been without shortcutting
but simply can't tell. And therefore you can't penalise him
because that's based on guesswork, not facts.

Pushing your opponent off the track will
also prevent you from beeing overtaken
in the next turn 'cuse he isn't allowed to?
Now, what sense does that make?

I'm glad Massa had no advantage by beeing anywhere but on-track here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... 5Ixas&feature=related


The only rule that would make any sense
is beeing allowed to take the advantage
of short-cutting if you are forced to short-
cut by your opponent. That's what happens
between Kubica and Masse and probably
the reason why nobody yelled then.

Gtr.
Lol. Lmao.

Why's that?

I had some great racing with punkrocker and some FM guy.
tripple-car drafting worked out quite well for many laps.

I guess I caused the first crash but I had a great stutter
there. Framerate just broke down. Sorry for that.

Pointing the finger at BotP is totally bollocks. Actually
I always closed the gaps but I'm quite sure that the
others are probably one of the only ones wo DIDN'T
cause any caution pile ups due to not speeding up
and braking, speeding up and braking, speeding up
and br.. BANG!

So what the heck were these "close the gap, come
on, close gap" comments for?

Last edited by AdonisAmaronis, Mon 11 Jun 2007, 21:51.

Quote from Brainblaster666 :

U are banned for that bad language!!!!!! And the admins have a clue!!!!!

Which just proves how far we are from beeing anything like nascar.
In the real thing you would have seen me dropkicking threw that Hogadudes windshield during the caution-laps.

Oh, sorry. Wrong thread.

Ok, sorry for the bad language,
but you're not going to get this
to work anywhen.

And it's not just 'bout the few
hogamans. The admins have no
clue 'bout what they're doing
either.