Another LFS dad here, probably the youngest at that clocking in at 22 (we are not all old grumpy gits see).

My daughter is 7 and has shown some intrest in racing but she prefers the xbox controllers so no joy on LFS yet, also she likes her disney games and whatnot...

Maybe if we stopped making some countries such a horrible place to live we wouldn't have this 'problem'. illepall

I think this is a pretty bad knee-jerk reaction from the governments in question, I have also signed the petition and will be passing it on to other forums I frequent.

On a side note I think that a lot of people are becoming obsessed with immigrants, asylum seekers and the like - using them as scapegoats, has anyone noticed lately that if someone who isn't white (even though they are nationals) commits a crime there is a big fuss compared to the vast majority of crime that is commited by young white males?

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I have a feeling that many people see the names as interchangeable

They may well do which is why there are problems and people getting confused - here's a little FAQ I found while searching for some links:

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Glossary

CHRA = center housing rotating assembly or a turbo without the compressor and exhaust housing but complete from compressor blade to exhaust blade.

Compressor Inducer = smaller diameter of compressor blade (inlet from the air filter)

Compressor Exducer = larger diameter of the compressor blade (outlet to intercooler}

Turbine Inducer = larger diameter of exhaust blade (inlet from the manifold)

Turbine Exducer = smaller diameter of exhaust blade (outlet to exhaust)

Inducer = inlet

Exducer = outlet

A/R= Aspect Ratio or Area / Radius =Different people say different things but basically it is the area of the housing divided by the radius of the housing. As the housing A/R factor increases numerically so does it's potential to induce or exduce a specific volume .

Wastegate (W/G)= Vacuum dependent device used to limit boost by drawing exhaust flow away from the turbine blade. This is done near or before the inducer of the exhaust blade.

Internal Wastegate = This type of wastegate is an integral part of the exhaust housing. It consist of a flapper door inside of the exhaust housing that is controlled by a vacuum/boost referenced actuator valve that is attached to the compressor housing. Most OE manufacturers use this type of setup because it is cheap and there are no fitment problems like those of external wastegates. Because of the flapper door size this type of wastegate is not efficient at high boost levels . Since it can not relieve enough exhaust flow to maintain the maximum boost setting boost creep will sometimes occur when driven hard. Most actuators are preset from the factory with max a boost level that can not be adjusted unless a boost control device is added .There are aftermarket racing actuators on the market have an adjustable rod that allows for boost level changes.

External Wastegate = This type of wastegate is also vacuum/boost referenced but it is separate entity from the turbine section. External wastegates are connected in many different ways but the most efficient method is to connect it with it's own section of piping near the collector flange of the manifold. This type of connection will allow exhaust flow to be drawn from all primary tubes equally. Of course this type can not be applied to all street cars because of the space limitation factor. The physical size of the wastegate valve, which is 35mm or larger for small external wastegates, and connection point makes the external W/G a better choice for mild to wild setups. If the the dump tube for the W/G is to be routed back into the exhaust piping for a closed loop setup it is best to make the tube as long as possible. Flow from the W/G tube that is re-entered back into the exhaust too early can cause a restriction in flow by creating back pressure.

Manual Boost Controller (MBC) = Commonly called VVC (variable valve controller), VBC (variable boost controller) and a couple other unique names. MBC are mechanical devices plumbed between the W/G and it's vacuum/boost source. Basically the MBC will manipulate the vacuum/boost signal to the actuator valve or wastegate. Everything from fish tank valves to reducer T's are used as MBC's. MBC's should be mounted as close as possible to the wastegate to prevent problems that can be caused by using long vacuum lines and it will prevent you from cranking up the boost every time someone spanks your butt.. The main drawback of MBC's is the W/G will begin to open as soon as boost registers even though an MBC has been an properly installed. This premature opening acts almost like an exhaust leak and can hamper the low and mid range performance of your engine.

Electronic Boost Controller (EBC) = Also referred to as EVC (Electronic Valve controller). EBC's use a solenoid box controlled by an ECU. The best EBC's use Fuzzy Logic programming to control the boost and give features that help traction handicapped turbo cars. Unlike the MBC the EBC holds the w/g completely closed until the preset boost level is reached and then it opens completely until the throttle is closed. This feature allows for more low-end and midrange power that may have been lost when using an MBC. Some EBC's can also be setup to use a scramble boost (SB) setting. SB holds the boost at a preset low boost level for a preset amount of time and then it automatically changes to the high boost setting of your choice. Other features of EBC's include gear based boost levels, rpm based boost levels and hi/lo settings.

Blow Off Valve (BOV) = vacuum/boost sourced device plumbed between the throttle plate and compressor outlet used to prevent a boosted charge from back pedaling it's way to the exducer of the compressor when the throttle is closed (also known as Back Charge or Negative Charge). BOV's allow the charged flow to be expelled to the open atmosphere (EPA doesn't like this) or be re-circulated back into the inducer side of the compressor. On OE turbo setups this called a re-circulator valve. The re-circulated flow will aid the spool up on street cars that have a problem with turbo lag and it is stealthier because the psst sound of the BOV will not be heard. Without a BOV or re-circulator valve the back pedaling negative charge will cause the thrust bearing of the turbo to fail or it can cause the shaft to break if high boost levels are being used.

Got it now?

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Not really a good example. In this matter it would rather be like Renault copying Ferrari's livery 1-on-1. I think there would be a problem. (or Ford copying Subaru for example, whaetver)

No, this is incorrect - this would apply if one LFS team 'stole' another LFS team's livery and raced using them. Mine was the correct example (random, usually new to the game players using a team's skin).

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I like to have my own private skins.

Simple answer then, keep them private - job done.

As for respecting people's wishes, my wish is to keep the skinning side of things open (as it should be in my mind) - you don't see companies like subaru or ford throwing a temper tantrum and/or suing the average Joe in the street for making a replica rally car for example.

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Mazz, I would be most upset if someone circumcised me without my consent.

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It does make you wonder and I don't really see it being "geeky" to know how something works, especially an engine/turbo when these "car people" who claim to know everything (not that I claim to either ) only help in spreading disinformation.

See if I give a rat's ass if anyone thinks it's "geeky" for that matter.

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LFS is growing and turning more professional every day. I can imagine teams like Ocrana, pod, n!, pttm, and so on, who have real life sponsors and race in EPS where you get money for podium places, wouldn't really like the negative publicity wreckers and noobs with their skins could deliver them.

I don't think they would care less really, it's all publicity - which is why this thread boggles my mind, how many games are there where skins and the like are protected?! The only time I could see someone getting angry is if they were charging money for the skins, which will be a sad day if that ever happens (and if they were charging, wouldn't this defeat the object of team skins?).

Perhaps some people need to get of their high-horses and worry about more important things than their egos.

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Never thought that someone who apparently knows so much about cars (aka: Mr. Clarkson) would make such an error, but wrong he is. If that car had a BOV/Dump Valve it wouldn't make that sound...

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Well done to Shinanigans for actually getting it right (MajorNut - that 'chirping' sound is NOT the damn wastegate, it's the compressed air getting cut up in blades of the turbo after it gets fed back in - aka: stalling). Tristancliffe, I take my hat off to you as well for knowing your stuff but I disagree about the best cars being NA, it depends on the application surely?

Care to elaborate more on why you think the best cars are NA?

Tag up Xie!


Anyway, as he said any help would be greatly appreciated - see you on the servers.

I shouldn't see why it would be a problem as you are not selling it or claiming the content to be completely your own. As far as they are concerned it would be like a free mirror to host...
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