Hell yeah.
:banana_ra

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

Can you take this discussion somewhere else, instead of on a test patch thread? Im sure scawen wants to be checking this thread for complaints of bugs, not you crying like a kid because the lock got reduced.

I really hope he want to be checking this thread for complaints of bugs. Because one of the dev only seeing one known issue(s) is just...

Quote from Scawen :

KNOWN ISSUES :

LX4 number plate goes through spare tyre

Scawen, Scawen, Scawen... Be more imaginative next time . Cheers, as always.

Yeah seriously Matrixi, WHAT THE HELL? We're discussing points here... http://xs139.xs.to/xs139/09191/sumup713.jpg This is serius stuff.

And Zeug, didn't he prove his point? Do you think you need billions posts to prove a point when a video could speak for itself? Maybe you didn't watch at it or didn't get it? If you still fail to see it, well... I can't help you

Quote from kai0r :

I bet nobody of us has the experience of how much grip a tire at 150°C delivers, because it's impossible to reach irl without a puncture, so nobody can say if it's realistic or not fullstop. Why can't you accept that ?

Im affraid I cant. Nobody can say if it is realistic or not you are right. But anyone could notice it isnt.

Quote from kai0r :

You can also see that a tire loose much of his grip if it is overheated in formula 1 nowadays. For one lap the soft tires work better, but in longruns they suck because they heat to much, loose to much grip, wear to fast, like too soft tires in lfs would do.

Totally agree with that.
Just a slight difference:
to lose much of the grip when tires are hot, yes.
feeling like driving on ice, what... in... ù^$ù*.... the world...

Guys, seriously, get a drive in real life then compare to LFS? No need for graphs.. And before the fanboys or shadow jump in, this is nothing personal.

Just seeing some guys saying "give us proof", "do a comparison with real life cars so we can see", "where you have gotten your info from? was it an article or video? can you give us something to compare this to?" makes me sad about that community. Can't stand this. And by the way the answer might be "life". Yes, compare it to life. Isn't that proof big enough for you guys?
So far you're interested in one of the best racing sim and you don't know a thing about simple car physics? Not telling I'm an engineer but everyone with some basics knowledge would spot the laughing bit.
For the optimistic part, I'd just say that this online racing sim is great, and has managed to get it early compared to other games. Now the others has passed by and it's just a shame that those physics are "wasted" like it has been for quite some time now. In my opinion.

Quote from Shadowww :

That picture does NOT suits what he said.

Does that picture say 'LFS Forum' or 'S14 DRIFT'?

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

I've tried your little story d1gp and find it to be false, infact with the hardest tyres I find it hard to even get them green, let alone to the point of overheating..

With R4's, and without warmup lap, off course. (The kind of warmup lap I described before)
If you drive cleanly as you said, there won't be any problems. Totally agree with that.
What I meant about F1 doing burnout was just an example. Sometime they have to keep their tires to the right temp before the start and so they have to heat them up (in some cases). The better and faster way to do that is forcing some understeering on the front, and spin the rear wheels. All those frictions will generate heat and would make the tire do its job better.
Just try that in lfs and find out that doesn't work.

Almost forgot. http://xs139.xs.to/xs139/09180/lfsf2483.jpg

I think we're more talking about tires temperature than anything else.
Off course 'bald tires' aren't going to do much, but in some case they could. It depends on lots of things, the tire compound, tire thread, the temp of the surface, the tire rubber, the air in the tire etc.. So no, we couldn't tell with 100% precision how tires should act in a simulator, but at least we could tell how they shouldn't.

Just a little example. The other day with a friend of mine we decided to give it a shot with BF1 as we're still getting more and more experience from this game.
As LFS is a racing simulator after all (as you all shout at us everytime as an argument), we tried to do it the "in real life" racing way. It's a racing simulator, so it shouldn't be the big deal? Exciting I'd say!
So here we are, for the warm-up lap... We were wearing 'hard' tires so we decided to heat them up before the start. Waving down the straights and doing some 'burnouts' like real Formula1 do. And suddenly when you reach the grid, you press F9 and notice that your tires are over 150° and have less grip than *ù§*'"!:. And the worst is that I did wait 10 minutes for them to cool down. How realistic is that?

Edit: I'm quite sad to see that old lfs players, and drivers in real life, can't see what's unrealistic or not. Whatever it is.

Last edited by d1gp, Sun, 3 May 2009 23:55.

Quote from Hallen :

... Drift tires...

Ok, now THAT makes me laugh.

Quote from Hallen :

... But what you guys are saying about red hot tires being to slippery is just crap. It sounds to me like you are just begging for a set of drift tires to use in this racing simulator.

Are you sure?

Quote from zeugnimod :

Sam mentioned "stupid posts" you said you didn't post any and I proved you wrong. If you don't believe me I'll just stay polite and tell you to look another time at Scawen's posting history.

I'll just say that you're totally right so it will end. And will never post here again, so you could be happy now. One less troll at lfsf...
PS: And btw, you all blind fanboys seem so serene and easy going now that we know we're getting some updates soon. But I'd have so much wanted to hear your so-beloved-speech one year ago for example...
Bye. And have fun off course.

Quote from SamH :

I wasn't referring to you, I was quoting you and answering you.

For the record, there is a difference between saying that someone is bitching and calling them a bitch, but if someone is trolling on the forum I WILL call them a troll. Is that too abrupt, do you think? I'm not really interested in pandering to the sensitivities of people who come to the forum to disrupt it. That would be rather silly, especially for a forum moderator, don't you think?

Excuse me Mister Mod but you sound like what you think is inevitably the right thing.
Can't you have some what I call 'open mind'?

And Zeug please... What are you trying to prove here? I'll just stay polite and tell you to look another time at your post

Quote from SamH :

It affects the mood of the community. The devs aren't affected by stupid posts, like "the devs destroyed my christmas" and "lfs is dead", but these idiotic posts impact the community.

Well yeah, can't say I don't agree. And since I didn't post such things, I hope you didn't confuse me with someone else.

Quote from SamH :

As a forum moderator, I make no apologies for occasionally removing deliberately trolling posts, abusive posts, generally nasty posts, sarcastic and negative posts, or posts intended to "motivate by insult". Nor do I make any apology for giving infractions for them, or for banning people who are clearly only here to bitch, moan and disrupt.

As a forum moderator, are you directly insulting me for 'bitching','moan' or 'disrupt'? Who's the one insulting?
And what about when it's your friends doing some sarcasm? Let me know please..

Quote from SamH :

My priority is the well-being of the forum community which is clearly sick to the back teeth of all the whining from "dying swans". You don't have the right of freedom of speech on this forum, even if you think you do or that you should. Play nicely or don't play.

Maybe if you were more into that 'community', you'd know more about it

PS: If you think that worth a ban, then go ahead, what could I say? Just trying to express my opinion and as far as I know I didn't insult anybody, unlike many others here...

Quote from Byku :

Guys, think something like this:

You are one of developers, you usually post updates,...

goes wrong right to the beginning.

Quote from Byku :

Now think that there wouldn't be such a hostility on this forum. Friendly atmosphere, and no insluting towards the devs. Surely they would post more frequently and it would be more pleasent to post here.

Since it doesn't affect developement and they don't care about such threads, what's the big deal about that?

Quote from Byku :

You are doing absolutly nothing to speed up the development, just making this forum a more hostile place.

Because you think you are? Again, apparently nothing could speed up / slow down the developement, so what's your point?

Quote from Byku :

What if the only way to get more update reports, is to be more friendly and (somebody would say that surely) kiss their a**, just be a typical fanboy?

This one just went into my favourite quotes.
And if you think I'm one of those who care more about their own opinion than update reports, then I must say you got that 'atmosphere' you were talking about all wrong.

Quote from Shadowww :

Edit: Online at: Falken Drift Server, why the **** do you need FWD suck?

I'm online on a drifting server so the only thing I'm interested about in that game is drifting or rwd? Well done sherlock..

Quote from zeugnimod :

:feedtroll

Quote from NightShift :

Did you people miss the post in which Scawen said they don't like motivational pictures?

I'm sorry? Who here could miss a post made by Scawen? Do you have someone in mind? He makes like 3 posts a year, including one telling he has a new baby or one saying he's moving house. How could we miss it?

Quote from NightShift :

Since they own the game and the forum it seems both wise and respectful to avoid posting them, or should we assume you're doing that on purpose to piss them off?

So what? Let's just say all is fine, nothing's wrong.... That's the best way to go. And no, we're not doing that to piss them off, just for them to open their eyes. Since they didn't care that much about the 'written' stuff. And anyway, since 'it doesn't affect development', it's not that much of a problem, is it?
And I hope any dev won't read this and waste his time doing it instead of working on the game. Scawen, if you read this, Cheers :drink:

Quote from Victor :

Gotta agree with that. In fact, I think the only reason I even watch F1 this year is because LH is there. What boring races would we have without him.

Plus the fact that people write pages and pages on the LH subject only tells that there must be something interesting about him
Racing needs personalities. Beit good or bad. And for that I think we should all be glad LH is there atm, no matter if you like or dislike him.

(yes I'm kind of a HamFan myself for reasons stated, although i try to keep my mouth shut about it generally, except now )

I think both of you are wrong, really...
The fact people talks about him is a good reason? In which world please tell me...
And if everyone else were racing like he is "a true racer in the strictest sense of the word", would that be still F1? I really doubt so.

Practice can't prevent "racing incidents".

That's not a big deal, human errors happen sometimes, it wouldn't be normal that they don't.
Anyway keep it up like that, you managed to create a good concept.
Good luck to everyone for the end of the series.

Too bad I cancelled something to run this event. And too bad I can't make it next saturday. Yeah it was a mess...
Plus I don't get why we didn't keep on going after the second restart?

PS: I'm aware this is not that easy

Yeah, it would have been fun to see a close race for the final... But obviously I failed =)
Anyway, was really cool to watch some close FZ battles

Looking forward for the next event, good runs guys

o/

:headbang: I want moooaarr!

As I already said many times, this is seriously cool Ndrew

Keep up the good work!

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Nice XRT too.