First I want to say that I don´t want to blame someone or make someone angry with this poll. Specially not the devs.

But IMHO LFS is at a critical point the last days. Cheats has been coming up and screw up the public servers. Also the lfs statistics (what I really like, makes lfs different fro other games) are screwed. You can´t trust the stats right now. What should be done? Please vote. Thanks

anyone who cheates should be banned for some period of time maybe permenently. i'm guessing in the next major update the records will be wiped...

ban cheaters

Maybe its possible to make some autocheckthingy every time someone uploads a hotlap; lets say griplevels, car weight and BHP..

Dunno if its possible but it might be a solution

Stats will be reset most likely. Why are stats so important at this time anyways? Oh that's right, you're the FM crew that ruins all the real road racing stat charts.

There ought to be oval stats, and road racing stats. Because if you want to keep 'true' statistics, I think it is best not to mix those two up. At the moment, a few of you have insane amounts of distance travelled, laps, etc etc. Leaves the people actually racing some other circuits way at the bottom.

ban 'nough said.

Although it is only alpha........

Quote from Tweaker :

Stats will be reset most likely. Why are stats so important at this time anyways? Oh that's right, you're the FM crew that ruins all the real road racing stat charts.

There ought to be oval stats, and road racing stats. Because if you want to keep 'true' statistics, I think it is best not to mix those two up. At the moment, a few of you have insane amounts of distance travelled, laps, etc etc. Leaves the people actually racing some other circuits way at the bottom.

Come on that´s crap. Don´t start that oval/circuit bs again. Race is race.
Oval or dirft or rallye or circuit. It´s about playing fair or to cheat...

I voted for leave it as it is blah blah. But I also wanted to vote for the Ban Cheaters indefinitely. I couldn't, so I said it here instead.

+1 to Ban Cheaters count then!

Why even bring up the cheating anyways. And the only people focused on stats are you oval races. Don't act like it isn't true. But any occurance of something happening with stats.... you guys are there to complain!!!

If I feel like it, I can suggest something to make road racers feel a bit more accomplished, rather than being conquered by someone who runs a lap every 30 secs or so.

I just don't see a point in worrying about stats at this time because there are a very few minor cheaters, and does that affect you? Does it affect me? Not really, it's not like I am trying to win a prize here. This is an online game, happens all the time. And stats could be reset at any moment.

I'm more worried about what happens when the flag drops at a start of a race.

1:drivers who use LFS for cheap kicks, taking pleasure in causing mahem
2: Ignore blue flags, and race you into the dirt.
3: make crazy impossible inside move that can only end one way.
4:weave about like crazy to stop them losing the lead.

Stats don't effect my online racing experience, the above does.

Just my opinion



John

I'm always checking stats, I love comparing win ratios and pb's with my fellow crc dudes, and if people start adapting the performance of their vehicles, it becomes a huge problem. (Not that the crc guys cheat!)

This is can be seen as a form of cancer, if it isn't routed out and removed, it'll spread and spread, and that's why I chose option 3 over 1.

I'd suggest (in addition to leave it, because everything will be erased with the next physics update) to ban cheaters in two steps: First a temporary ban for like 3 months, and a permanent if they do something fishy again

Excuse me, but I'm getting really bored with the Oval racers witch hunt! Which stats do you mean, btw? Hotlaps will be resetted anyway, if there will be a incompatible patch. Or do you mean PBs? I remember there being 20smth seconds PBs in Blackwood that can be achieved with a right AutoX layout. And also many people have chosen to hide their online stats, so who cares anyway. And remember you Oval people are responsible that this cart being useless to us road racers. These charts, btw have to be separated to the oval and road racers stats, when the S2 final comes.

I dont really care to much about stat's. I thought andre and oval racer's were the only one's that did.

I agree with JohnPenn, they dont affect my online racing, so stat's are pointless to me(other than pb's). I also agree that oval and circuit stat's should be seperated.

I don't think cheaters are that big of a problem, and you can't get rid of them. If you make it even more risky more might show up anyways... illepall Besides, I've learned from Counterstrike, if there is a hacker or cheater, leave and find a new server or come back later. Also, since this community is pretty tight and small, cheaters will become very well known and on a properly watched server, they won't make it onto the track. Keep the stats going then erase them when s2 full comes out, that way we don't have to keep having threads like this...

Quote from herki :

I'd suggest (in addition to leave it, because everything will be erased with the next physics update) to ban cheaters in two steps: First a temporary ban for like 3 months, and a permanent if they do something fishy again

3-months ban is too much as for first warning, 1 month would be quite a good leson.

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And remember you Oval people are responsible that this cart being useless to us road racers. These charts, btw have to be separated to the oval and road racers stats, when the S2 final comes.

Also all oval laps/distance/races/wins should be excluded from Racer Chart .

The poll is trying to cover two unrelated topics, therefore it is a totally useless.
Cheating will be dealt with, as it always is. As for the stats, yes they will be reset again sometime and anyway, only about ten people seem to have a rabid fixation with stats, the rest of us do not read your stats and don't pay any attention to how many laps or miles you have done.

A warning ban? Phaw! Confirmed users of cheats and exploits should be banned forever, no questions, no excuses. It doesn't happen on accident o.O

As for the stats, they'll be cleaned either way, but maybe the records of racers who are removed in this fashion should also be erased.

Quote from Tweaker :

Stats will be reset most likely. Why are stats so important at this time anyways? Oh that's right, you're the FM crew that ruins all the real road racing stat charts.

There ought to be oval stats, and road racing stats. Because if you want to keep 'true' statistics, I think it is best not to mix those two up. At the moment, a few of you have insane amounts of distance travelled, laps, etc etc. Leaves the people actually racing some other circuits way at the bottom.

distance is distance, why should there be a difference to whether its accumulated on ovals or on roadcourses?

its not like there is much prestige involved with having the most miles anyway...

Quote from vladimir :

distance is distance, why should there be a difference to whether its accumulated on ovals or on roadcourses?

its not like there is much prestige involved with having the most miles anyway...

You used to be able to determine how active and experienced a racer was going by his online distance. Since the oval was introduced this stat is useless. You can accumulate a lot of miles in a short time on the oval without having much experience (or skill) at all. So, it isn't really a question of prestige, but rather a question of a once useful stat that has become watered down by one very small aspect of LFS.

Quote from Gunn :

You used to be able to determine how active and experienced a racer was going by his online distance. Since the oval was introduced this stat is useless. You can accumulate a lot of miles in a short time on the oval without having much experience (or skill) at all. So, it isn't really a question of prestige, but rather a question of a once useful stat that has become watered down by one very small aspect of LFS.

if you wanted to know how experienced someone was you'd be looking at his laptimes. people have different amounts of talent. i know ernough people who have twice as many miles already (without oval racing) and i still drive faster on any given track/car combo.

people also joined at different times, so in order to get activity you'd have to start calculating. looking at the recent results calender is much more revealing there (and shows if someone was just racing oval as well) so practically you can attain that information.

someone could also drive thousands of laps at the same combo and be extremely quick there but suck at all the others.

therefore, to find any proper conclusion, you would have to drive together with that person or check through all the available stats, which is easily possible right now.

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if you wanted to know how experienced someone was you'd be looking at his laptimes. people have different amounts of talent. i know ernough people who have twice as many miles already (without oval racing) and i still drive faster on any given track/car combo.

people also joined at different times, so in order to get activity you'd have to start calculating. looking at the recent results calender is much more revealing there (and shows if someone was just racing oval as well) so practically you can attain that information.

someone could also drive thousands of laps at the same combo and be extremely quick there but suck at all the others.

therefore, to find any proper conclusion, you would have to drive together with that person or check through all the available stats, which is easily possible right now.

You missed my point completely, but I won't be drawn into this stupid and irrelevant argument. I explained why the stat was now useless compared to what it used to be. I'm not interested in people's lap times, they are not indicative of a person's ability or experience either. I am especially not interested in how many miles or laps someone has done in a big circle. I have always used the stats for practical purposes, I couldn't care less about being the biggest frog in a very small pond.

i wish that oval stats were kept seperate from he other stats.

Meh, oval makes me dizzy and I fall off my chair. Why isn't that record on LFS, eh?

Maybe there could be a checkbox when viewing user stats so we could leave oval stuff (laps+distance) out.