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Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed 10,000 people and saved 25,000,000 est...

Nothing personal Becky, but I don´t think so. To end my part in a nuclear discussion. As far as I know USofA hides the surrender of japan a few days to "study" the bombs. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are two tactical totally useless cities in japan. Truman & Co. searched for cities with non or just some damage to have a clear view of the distruction they cause. It was cold planned.

To use a sentence like you sounds very far from ethical aspects imho. F.e. jewish people are hated since the dark ages. They never get threated better then after the 2. WW. But can you say the people died in german concentration camps saves lives and brings better lifes to the jewish people today? I don´t think so. I can´t imagine that anyone who lost his life would think that he or she was the price that have to be paid to save others. (Where is my DAMN LANGUAGE BARRIERE bind..)

well its more complex then it seams to be. As the Army of each country should be the last barrier to save the population you could say war saves lives, ironically the army exists out of the population so the question is how far do "they" go and for what reasons. Are there any realistic reasons to justify war would be the next question.

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Are there any realistic reasons to justify war would be the next question.

That would only work for a certain values of "real" I'm afraid.
Usually though the "real" that relates to someone trying to really kill you is enough, that's the real "essense" of it - in some sort of abstract way everything else that comes in the War Kit could be considered metaphysics.

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That would only work for a certain values of "real" I'm afraid.
Usually though the "real" that relates to someone trying to really kill you is enough, that's the real "essense" of it - in some sort of abstract way everything else that comes in the War Kit could be considered metaphysics.

wow mate hold on, give me at least one week to translate this and another one to understand it

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wow mate hold on, give me at least one week to translate this and another one to understand it

Oh, sorry - that was just a fancy way of saying that the "realistic reason" is a totally relative subject but the most simple form of it (the lowest common denominator in "real reasons for war") is someone trying to kill you.

I'm basically stating the obvious in a pseudo-eloquent way in order to impress people. Politicians do it alot. It works. You can get free drinks.

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Oh, sorry - that was just a fancy way of saying that the "realistic reason" is a totally relative subject but the most simple form of it (the lowest common denominator in "real reasons for war") is someone trying to kill you.

I'm basically stating the obvious in a pseudo-eloquent way in order to impress people. Politicians do it alot. It works. You can get free drinks.

Ok thanks for that clearing up, i agree its a relative subject, i tried to find a word that approximately fit the sense of my post or this single sentence. Im not about to going more into detail because its such a delicate subject and we would go even more off topic then we are right now (are we? im not sure )

Ill take a Martini if you dont mind

Just a last thought that just shot through my mind: I wonder how democracy and War can be put togehter into a single hat. I mean since i am able to use my mother language, i was told not to fight but to talk and discuss. I do not understand why in this so called "modern world" War is still necessary. Maybe Yin & Yang can explain this, where are they?

Well, as I allways say, WHO IS NEXT?

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To all americans, I heard San Marino and Andora have a plot (nuclear?) against you!!!! atack asap !!!! illepall

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(nuclear?)

I assure you, there is a huge warehouse full of nuclear artillery in that country, we must go inspect

Quote from Becky Rose :

Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed 10,000 people and saved 25,000,000 est.

Deducting your extreme exaggerations into both directions:
Even the planned land invasion would not have costed that many lifes - it's just that many of them would've been US soldiers.
Do you think they would've done the same with Germany (instead of Operation Overlord), if they'd had the bomb already? Would that have been a good idea?
And who's to say Japan would not have surrendered after the Soviets re-entered the war. Clearly waiting another two weeks would've been a good idea..
I can see where you're going at, but I for one have a hard time to accept such a sad day for mankind as necessary evil.

From what I've studied, Japan tried to surrender many times before the bombs, but was neglected. Bombs were used to scare Soviet's. The Cold War had already begun - about the time Berlin was captured.

Study the history, but not from school books. School books only contain what they wan't you to learn.

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interesting site, i need to check this one later ty harry

@ Julppu: Knowledge is relative, everybody knows different facts, btw depends on where you live, the school and its system is only to give you basic or a bit more knowledge, the rest is up to you.
Im from ex-eastern germany and i had to do the first two classes in this old system, knowledge was prepared in order to specify the class-enemy these days but today its different...at least thats what i think and hope.