Quote from Jamexing :

BTW, the FQ360 (OEM 360hp) version eats supercars (read Lamborghinis) for breakfast.

And they eat their driver's for breakfast too! For trackday-use, the FQs might be good, but you definatly should stick to a normal Evo if you wanted a car, which you don't stall 9 out of 10 times

Quote from herki :

And they eat their driver's for breakfast too! For trackday-use, the FQs might be good, but you definatly should stick to a normal Evo if you wanted a car, which you don't stall 9 out of 10 times

That's one reason why they're good. They weed out the AVERAGE driver and reward the highly skilled (especially in clutch control ).

Is it that difficult to control the clutch? I thought every driver worth his salt has enough clutch technique to start most usual cars uphill without using the accelerator let alone drive a car like that without stalling it

Obviously you've never driven an old Nissan Micra..mine had trouble pulling away without throttle when it wasn't on a hill..

Quote from george_tsiros :

Is it that difficult to control the clutch? I thought every driver worth his salt has enough clutch technique to start most usual cars uphill without using the accelerator let alone drive a car like that without stalling it

That's IF there is some kind of clutch slipping. In the FQ400 at least, you have almost no clutch slipping, it's more like on/off, which makes it quite hard to take off(?) smoothly

Quote from george_tsiros :

Is it that difficult to control the clutch? I thought every driver worth his salt has enough clutch technique to start most usual cars uphill without using the accelerator let alone drive a car like that without stalling it

True for cars with normal clutches with smooth bite. Fully dedicated race clutches such full blown sintered iron clutches aren't exactly forgiving. They tend to act like button clutches, whith VERY tightly defined bite points. They are very difficult to slip. In fact, true full blown professional racecars inevitably stall without the correct amount of starting revs.

AS for the FQ400, it's clutch is designed to survive the full fury of it's 400hp monster consistantly, so it needs to be VERY grabby. BTW, LFS doesn't simulate real clutch behavior yet.

Quote from Rtsbasic :

Obviously you've never driven an old Nissan Micra..mine had trouble pulling away without throttle when it wasn't on a hill..

obviously, you can not know what i have driven. I have driven, not many, but cars from different eras, from a very old (very very old) mercedes, to a beat up maruti, fiat panda 750, bmw 520, lancia delta, toyota starlet. Granted, i have not driven a old nissan micra but, as i have done with most of the cars mentioned above, i accept the "start uphill" challenge.

Obviously, you missed my sarcasm. My point was that not all cars are capable - both old Micra's I've driven (and 1 owned) wouldn't do a hill start without touching the throttle. And on the other extreme of things i.e. high performance vehicles see Jamexing's post.

Not strictly speaking in the same class, but the Citroen C4 I drive quite often these days won't pull away on a hill start either eithout throttle. Just rolls back after a while. But I let it off, because its an auto

Quote from george_tsiros :

obviously, you can not know what i have driven. I have driven, not many, but cars from different eras, from a very old (very very old) mercedes, to a beat up maruti, fiat panda 750, bmw 520, lancia delta, toyota starlet. Granted, i have not driven a old nissan micra but, as i have done with most of the cars mentioned above, i accept the "start uphill" challenge.