Quote from avih :

Actually, GPL has quite an impressive reconstruction of that track. "only" 15.4 miles though.

Nice. But I could pee further than that.

Quote from Bob Smith :

Nice. But I could pee further than that.

Post a video please (with black censoring bars preferrably).

Sorry I don't know how to add black bars.

There's a patch that can be made to GPL to allow long tracks. Jim Pearson is now working on a full length Isle of Mann track, but hasn't predicted when it will be done.

I would pay without thinking for the Ring , I was near to spend 150€ in a PS2+GT4 only for riding on it. I don't mind if I have to wait until S3, but having the Ring in LFS would be a dream

To the configurations you said, I would add the less known Südschelife, now that it's in danger of being mutilated forever, it would be great to have it also it would live forever in LFS.

Quote from avih :

the clip's here:
http://forum.needforbetterspee ... index.php?showtopic=14593

LOL, that's the best 70MB I've recently downloaded, great video.

Quote from ColeusRattus :

Well, first of all, I never said that you couldn't use "ss" for a "ß". Secondly, the "ss" is not the right substitute. It just was used that much that people said it was right too. But in the Austrian burocracy for example, if you are not able to type "ß", you have to use "sz", which would be the ture substitute.
This is because words with "ss" and "ß" are differently pronounced. The former with a short vowel, the latter with a long vowel.

And I successfully defended my title as Defeater of Tristan.

Sorry - but thats not true at all... Because "daß" for example is pronounced exactly the same, like "das" and "dass" But "ss" at the end of a word wasn't allowed until the "rechtschreibreform" came

And that "ß" can now be written as "ss" is even less true. In a normal word, with "ß" in the middle for example like "Fußball": you still must write "ß" as long as you write in small letters - if you use caps, u have to write "SS" because there is no big "ß". Ok, enough now. And PLEASE do not think my many "SS" do have something to do with german history or even my political opinion :P

So - i have beaten u all!

On-Topic: Of course it would be really cool to have a long track like the northloop (lol) - but there won't be any track which is _like_ the one and only ring! You never could make a track even like the ring, because the ring is the ring. I think i don't have to go into detail, because u all know why!

Greets from germany,
Warper

Quote from Warper :

...but there won't be any track which is _like_ the one and only ring! You never could make a track even like the ring, because the ring is the ring. I think i don't have to go into detail, because u all know why!

I think there is no doubt about that, by saying LFS is a Simulator, we are all accepting that is a discreet representation of reality, but I can live with a discreet representation of Nurburgring for LFS . No one would throw himself to the Ring for an eight minutes lap with only the knowledge taken from a Sim, even if it's LFS.

You are completely right - but what i ment was more that there won't be any track made (because of no license for ex) _like_ the ring. 1 Possibilitiy is, that there will be the ring for LFS - the other is, there will be a long track with a high amount of turns - but nothing like the ring

Greetz,
Warper

maybe you could build a track. a long track. a difficult track. a track with many turns....
but... you can not create a track with a legend and such a amount of history as the ring.

I still hope that one day (when LFS is opened to 'modding') that someone can convert the GT4 Nurburgring (or whatever the best version is at the time) to LFS's type. With any luck (bear in mind I know less than nothing about track creation on computers) the scenery layout can be copied over too, so that it's not just the track, some barriers and the occasional floating trees (like many converstions I've seen over the years).

there exists already a version of the nordschleife for racer, but its not that good.

I know I played it. In the F3000 car. It was the only bit of racer than was any fun for me (probably not the latest version, but first impressions count :P)

here are few ideas of mine about this topic:

- control over moddig could be achived by giving some sort of hash keys from devs to 3d-party track designer, so that devs could allow only quality track mods to be installed on lfs servers and clients...this also may partially solve the problem of track licences, so just to say the maker of nurburgring version for racer could convert it to lfs...then if eric would support him with some suggestion, the result may be good

- i'm not particularly interested into real tracks but rather into more long tracks and more variety -> eric showed us he is an artist and lfs track are really intriguing and enjoyable -> i will be more happy to spend some money for an expansion track pack, if all money go to devs instead into expensive licenses

- many people want (like me) long tracks like nurburgring, but it's sad to see that servers with aston-gp or kyoto-gp or fernbay-black are very few and are almost always empty

Quote from avih :

Derek Bell at Nurburg - the clip's here:

dbnrd.mwv

I posted that one, it's very low quality, but at least it's smaller than a similar quality .MOV file that's almost 100MB in size. I've been trying to find a better quality version.

Yup the problem of real tracks in lfs is a big one. The thing is that if lfs includes models of real tracks like for example the nordschleif there will be comparisons between it's modeling of it and that of say GT4, which will get lfs nowhere, because Gran Turismo 4 had a fortune spent not only on rights to use the tracks, but also on modeling them with a prescision that's simply not possible for lfs to match. And also with such a track as the nordschleif there is going to be somebody who will moan endlessly about it if there is one corner slightly wrong, or a bump isn't done right, so it's really not worth it.

I think it is much better for the time being to have tracks that although fictional give lfs the chance for completely ideal track layouts with the best corners and the best changes in elevation.

In a posting on another thread I mentioned about a track based on a fictional road track using scottish highland A roads. I would say having read this thread that it would be better still to have the track as an idealised version of a road / race track. By doing that you'd have all you could want in that type of track, the different corners the changes in elevation, and the kind of track that would have been possible for an event 50 or 60 years ago, but todays safety concerns would never allow. But most importantly you'd have no comparisons being made with real tracks or roads.

In short I think it's much better that the developers play to the advantages lfs has in comparison to other racing "sims"

rant over.

Quote from avih :

Fern Bay Black, Aston Historic/GP and Kyoto GP are long. Not 13 miles long, but still, they take time to master. especially with every car

But yes, I'd like to see a very long track too on lfs )

whats the longest track in the game then?

Quote from Jakg :

whats the longest track in the game then?

Aston Grand Prix, 8,8 km or if you prefer miles thats 5,5 miles

Quote from Blackout :

Aston Grand Prix, 8,8 km or if you prefer miles thats 5,5 miles

might give that a try... i like the idea of a Kyoto super-long, although you could have a medium version and cut out the bit in the tri-oval and just run abround the outside

My suggestion for a shorter version of Kyoto GP (it's too long so no one wants to drive it on public servers): http://torttu.net/temp/lfs/kyoto_club.jpg

I've posted this here several times so it might be "old".

There was a suggestion once to combine Kyoto GP Long with Kyoto National... I would love to have that track...

Quote from bbman :

There was a suggestion once to combine Kyoto GP Long with Kyoto National... I would love to have that track...

It's suggested in this thread too.

Really? I didn't read the whole thread... It just came to my mind again when you talked about Kyoto...

I'm not really in favour of an extra long track. Kyoto GP Long is boring even with the big GTRs after a while. I wouldln't object though if one was made with plenty more of challenging corners such as a couple on Aston Historic.