This question has probably been asked many times...
But I was watching some lfs racing last night, when I see this uber alien making really fast lap times...
Well ofcourse he will get up on a blue flagged noobs ass and when he couldnt pass he bumped him right in a corner and let the noob eat some wall...
I dont like this kind of mentality...
Maybe I wouldnt care if it was a demo server, but on a licensed server...

So what do you think!?

depends - irl in Karting (rental karts, need i say more?!) when i have someone on a Blue who isn't yeilding i DO bump them, but not to spin them, just to show my anger! In LFS i might push a non-yeidling blue-flagger out of the way, but only by going up the inside, and pushing their nose wide at the Apex, but nothing more as that IS (to me at least) wrecking

Well i get taken out by noobs not looking in there mirrors when im beside them, And 8/10 times i usally get pushed of the track, I really dont understand this as i am allways aware of what is in front of me and what is behind me, And another thing people some time try to pass in places u just cant passillepall They seem to lack respect for other drivers. I LIKE TO PASS CLEAN AND FAIR AND NOT PASS IF IT WILL OR MIGHT END IN SOME 1 GOING OF!

Can you describe the newb's behaviour? Was he
- blocking illegally (swerving etc.)
- driving defensively
- simply sticking to his line
- driving like an absolute noob (= dangerously incompetent)
- waiting for a suitable spot to let the alien pass

Quote from wsinda :

Can you describe the newb's behaviour? Was he
- blocking illegally (swerving etc.)
- driving defensively
- simply sticking to his line
- driving like an absolute noob (= dangerously incompetent)
- waiting for a suitable spot to let the alien pass

-Not blocking, or swerving...
-Not driving defensively...
-Sticking to his line, Yes, becouse he couldnt take another line in that chicane...
-driving like an abolute noob... Nope
-Waiting... Maybe, he never got the time to do that...

If the so called "alien" can't make a clean pass, then IMO, he is a shite driver, there is more to racing than driving fast.

There are sooooooo many people in LFS that have absoloutly no clue what the blue flag ACTUALLY means.

Dan,

Quote from mike20002 :

So what do you think!?

There's never an excuse for intentional wrecking.

Quote from danowat :

If the so called "alien" can't make a clean pass, then IMO, he is a shite driver, there is more to racing than driving fast.

There are sooooooo many people in LFS that have absolutely no clue what the blue flag ACTUALLY means.

Dan,

^ Pretty much sums it up.

(Fixed your spelling though )

Quote from Jakg :

depends - irl in Karting (rental karts, need i say more?!) when i have someone on a Blue who isn't yeilding i DO bump them, but not to spin them, just to show my anger!

Too bad in LFS you can't actually feel what it's like to be hit, people would become more careful after getting some 'bumps'. That instant shake inside your body simply makes you remember that mistakes leading in to a contact can never be comfortable

Quote from Bean0 :

^ Pretty much sums it up.

(Fixed your spelling though )

Ta buddy , I can't spell for toffee

Dan,

Quote from mike20002 :

-Not blocking, or swerving...
-Not driving defensively...
-Sticking to his line, Yes, becouse he couldnt take another line in that chicane...
-Driving like an abolute noob... Nope
-Waiting... Maybe, he never got the time to do that...

Then Mr. Alien deserves a firm kick in the exhaust region, IMHO.

Quote from Jakg :

depends - irl in Karting (rental karts, need i say more?!) when i have someone on a Blue who isn't yeilding i DO bump them, but not to spin them, just to show my anger! In LFS i might push a non-yeidling blue-flagger out of the way, but only by going up the inside, and pushing their nose wide at the Apex, but nothing more as that IS (to me at least) wrecking

Do you bump them in turns too?
I think a litle bump on a straight would work in LFS too...
What Im talking about was a really counted move, the alien driver knew exactly where to bump and how hard to hit... I can think that the noob driver didnt notice it, maybe he just tought that he loosed the grip and went straight of...

It sounds like the guy doing the overtaking was the real n00b.

i feel like... if i am not fast enough to pass someone cleanly... then i dont deserve to pass them. if i get in on their inside/outside and they take themselves out by ramming into me... thats their fault

I'm filing this under 'innocent until the replay is posted'.

Quote from spankmeyer :

I'm filing this under 'innocent until the replay is posted'.

There is no replay and this isnt a post about hanging someone... thats why Im so anonymous about who, what, where and when...

I agree and wasn't really going for the hanging verdict or personal bashing. Instead I would have liked to see with my own eyes just how the noob vs. alien unfolded, as all we have now is your testimony how the slow dude 'was 100% clean' and things are rarely that simple.

But giving the hard candy for slow people ahead of you - that's not good, mmmkay.

I think its hard for some people to get rid of the common "demo servers" attitude. Not to say all demo servers and players sucks but tbo most of them or alot do because of the useless kick/ban system the idiots can rejoin by simple reconnect to the isp. As i got my license back in the days i could not really believe how much fun this game can really offers. Well back on topic i need to say that not every backmarker is a noob. As for the poll i cant really decide what to vote because it allways depends on the situation. But most of the time i try to overtake in a clean way and when i see the backmarker is about to give room but its impossible for me to pass there ill take my time and try again later. Overtaking is Art and that does not excludes the backmarkers from my pov.

Quote from spankmeyer :

I agree and wasn't really going for the hanging verdict or personal bashing. Instead I would have liked to see with my own eyes just how the noob vs. alien unfolded, as all we have now is your testimony how the slow dude 'was 100% clean' and things are rarely that simple.

But giving the hard candy for slow people ahead of you - that's not good, mmmkay.

Ok.. Well as you say this is my testimony and this is what I saw, ofcourse I can be wrong in what I saw... even if I had a replay I wouldnt upload it, I think you know why...
Maybe I can make a new poll about if someone else has seen this kind of move...
This poll still says that there is some ppl that think this kind of move is ok and many that think it's not ok, and that was just what I wanted to know... even if the whole post could be a fiction...
With my litle experience, this still was a counted move...
I was looking what lines the uber alien was driving to have those fast lap times when I saw this...

hugs

Imust admit that if someone joins the server mid race and doesnt instantly yield, ive done it. But passing 'non blockers' i try to do cleanly (maybe a little rubbing )

Troy

No way I'm going to make any contact like that, lol

I could imagine forcing some noobs, cleanly and by cornering rules, into grass to teach them a lesson, if they aren't willing to respect blue flags at all. But more likely I just pass cleanly where it's possible and maybe (if needed) remind them about blue flags once the race is finished.

Everyone has right to be on the track, and this should not depend on speed. Attitude is a different thing, and every noob should concentrate on traffic with extra care and respect.

i have seen many many noobs letting me pass easily when they see blue flag.i always press the "thanks" key. (i like lfs community)

i'll wait for the best chance to take over that noob even if he/she won't let me pass.
but i can easily get mad if i've been wrecked many times in past races of that day.

For any decent racer what is the problem if per chance they do not win a race or two.

Experienced drivers need to provide good example to any new people by NOT deliberately bumping. Otherwise where does it end - where does one draw the line.illepall


If a new driver IS blocking all over the place let him / her know the error of his / her ways and if necessary ban them from the server (having of course advised him of the etiquette of LFS and the new to let drivers pass on the blue flag and given them a chance to resolve their bad driving).
That way they get to know the ropes and understand that good driving is required at all times.



Lead by example.

Quote from vanirl :

For any decent racer what is the problem if per chance they do not win a race or two.

Experienced drivers need to provide good example to any new people by NOT deliberately bumping. Otherwise where does it end - where does one draw the line.illepall


If a new driver IS blocking all over the place let him / her know the error of his / her ways and if necessary ban them from the server (having of course advised him of the etiquette of LFS and the new to let drivers pass on the blue flag and given them a chance to resolve their bad driving).
That way they get to know the ropes and understand that good driving is required at all times.



Lead by example.

"Lead by example. "

An experienced driver in LFS probably already takes a lot of care in overtaking backmarkers. Its not an Alien if he cant deal with traffic, hes just an accident waiting to happen. He thinks he's the man but really he hasnt quite got the experience yet, knowing where to overtake in the lap to least affect BOTH drivers laptimes, tyres. He should be realising that if he makes a cleaner overtake than the guy in 2nd place, he will gain. Getting frustrated like that will just let 2nd place catch up if they are better at overtaking the same backmarker. A backmarker may be a rookie, this means said rookie may not know the line, or even be able to stick to the same line for 2 consective laps...but this should be immediately clear to the alien from seeing the driving style of driver and/or previous race results.

If said backmarker is an experienced driver also, and is not yielding over a long time and is pulling out equal times to the alien then its the backmarkers fault for testing the patience of the alien. The Alien should try to not react by hitting the back marker, you can always hold them up in a later race, or have a little sly word after the race.

Since my return to LFS ive just accepted it in someway. Ill race the back markers, and have a good time at it too. Who cares if they crashed T1, if they are an equal speed as me ill have some fun. +1 lap schmap! its still a blast racing with someone closely. Winning isnt everything.

If I see a noob, having a hard time controlling the car, genuinely new to the game. ill let off the throttle. tuck up behind them, have a few feignt overtaking moves, slip and slide about behind em a bit, get their adrenline running. and show them what LFS is really about. even tho im at 90% pace . I want them to have fun, i hate to think new guys feel that they are left out because they are a bit slow and spin a lot. send em your setup too, if only to get them more stable on the roads. tell em to watch your line, and if your really feeling kind give some advice on controllers...