Quote from mrodgers :

First, let's talk graphics. I've tried the GTR, GTL, and rFactor demos. I didn't mess with rFactor much at all, but did try and try GTR/GTL. Their graphics engine sucks, period. Ok ok, if you have that $4000 graphics card and the quad processor running 350 GHz, sure the graphics are great. But, that's the point, you need that hardware to run it. My most recent non-LFS experience was GTL. You can configure it differently. If I'm getting 50 FPS with all LFS gfx options maxed and with a bit of AA/AF on my onboard graphics and must say, it looks fantastic, then when I configure GTL to run 640x480x16 with dx7 and only getting 10 FPS, I have to say their graphics engine sucks. I'm sorry, but if you minimize all ingame options, and run the PC settings I state up there and still can only get 10 FPS, then there is something wrong, and it's not the PC. I could see if it was limited to staying at high resolution and Dx9, but it is not. The option of reducing graphics and settings are there.

The games are designed for people with the money and desire to buy steering wheel hardware - doesn't seem surprising to me they are not designed to run on low end systems. Most games as they are released are tailored towards fairly recent systems...

Quote from tristancliffe :

Not 'hands down' the best, no.

We don't have day/night cycles. YET
We don't have brake temperature modelling. YET
We don't have a decent aero simulation for all eventualities. YET
We don't have the best damage system (overall). YET
We don't have the best transmission/clutch simulation. YET
We don't have the most immersive sound (I don't use CSR). YET
We don't have the best interiors. YET

Apart from the long list of stuff we DO have over other sims, the most appealing bit is the repeating YETs. It's an ongoing thing (a WIP), and that's what REALLY appeals to me. Rfactor might get a patch of 'fixes' every 6 months. GTR has no support whatsoever. nK's patches are next to useless (although they have a similar list of stuff to do, starting with 'Make it Work in the first place').

No, LFS isn't hands down the best sim. But it is the best overall, and is going to get better.

You couldn't explain it better

It's hands down the best.
Pants down too, I suppose.

I think LFS sucks the least

Quote from Gabkicks :

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we must be wary of becoming "blind fanboys".

Dude, face it. We're way beyond that. We're a freaking cult.

I've been playing NASCAR a little lately. It really is fun driving a superbird on Monza (laguna), but one thing it does real good is remind me of how good LFS really is.
If you have N2003, reinstall it and go to sierra and try to play online with it.
First didn't kill NASCAR 2003. I think their own community did that.

Sure there's a few things LFS doesn't have but the games that do have some of those things seem to be lacking in other areas that I think is more important. Besides Name a game - ANY game that has a real time working clock in the dash. That right there is simply the best thing for sim racing
since force feedback

LOL dirt splashes on the windshield. Like our monitor screens aren't already begging for windex....

with the new graphics engine and race queens, maybe then pants down?

Quote from Blowtus :

The games are designed for people with the money and desire to buy steering wheel hardware - doesn't seem surprising to me they are not designed to run on low end systems. Most games as they are released are tailored towards fairly recent systems...

My point is, it is all eye candy, unneccessary and looks terrible as well as a huge hit on performance. Why shouldn't I be able to play it if I'm able to set absolute minimum clear down to 640x480 and dx7 if I disable all the eye candy when I play LFS at 1152x738x32 WITH AA/AF on onboard gfx and get a healthy 50 fps. There is something bad with the graphics engine if I turn all the eye candy and resolution off and still can't play it. As well as, LFS looks so much better than GTR/GTL as it has a more natural look to it instead of oversaturated colors and eye candy effects.

Quote from Racer Y :

I've been playing NASCAR a little lately. It really is fun driving a superbird on Monza (laguna), but one thing it does real good is remind me of how good LFS really is.
If you have N2003, reinstall it and go to sierra and try to play online with it.
First didn't kill NASCAR 2003. I think their own community did that.

Sorry, I was the cause of him jumping back to NR2003, eh Racer Y?

What do you mean "First didn't kill NASCAR 2003. I think their own community did that."? You meaning the specific NR2003 and the modding? or do you mean the fact that there wasn't an NR2004? If you are saying the fact that there isn't a NR2004, it is because EA paid NASCAR for exclusive rights to market the series. As for the community killing it, as in modding the engine, I was registered at theuspits.com during that time and it is very involved over what happened to Jan (I think that was his name) and others with First Racing over creating mods. As far as I remember, they demanded that modding the engine stop. Jan and company stopped releasing mods. Then First demanded they turn over their modding programs, which they did not. It was their programs and they stopped releasing. They weren't about to turn them over to First as it was their programs.

Quote from Racer Y :

Besides Name a game - ANY game that has a real time working clock in the dash. That right there is simply the best thing for sim racing
since force feedback

So true!

Yeah Night Hawk, it's all your fault

Anyways, I went to Seirra's server or whatever thay call it to play online.
There was like 5 or 6 tracks (all ovals) and they were all password protected.
They have this little chat box at the bottom of the logon(?) screen that shows the hosts available. and there were quite a few people on it and well
they really just didn't seem newb-friendly...All I know is if I was one of them people that paid $200 for a copy of NASCAR 2003 recently and tried to play online, I'd be pretty unhappy.
With LFS when a new person gets a license that person is given advice, set-ups and pretty much treated with the same respect a WR holder is.
The NASCAR scene just didn't seem to be so accomidating

And yeah, that clock has saved my tail more than once

Quote from Racer Y :

Yeah Night Hawk, it's all your fault

Anyways, I went to Seirra's server or whatever thay call it to play online.
There was like 5 or 6 tracks (all ovals) and they were all password protected.
They have this little chat box at the bottom of the logon(?) screen that shows the hosts available. and there were quite a few people on it and well
they really just didn't seem newb-friendly...All I know is if I was one of them people that paid $200 for a copy of NASCAR 2003 recently and tried to play online, I'd be pretty unhappy.
With LFS when a new person gets a license that person is given advice, set-ups and pretty much treated with the same respect a WR holder is.
The NASCAR scene just didn't seem to be so accomidating

And yeah, that clock has saved my tail more than once

glad i sold the two copies of n2k3 i had, i got 125 dollars a piece and thtat got me some new hardware to pretty much running anygame out now at maximum detail, lfs never had a problem running on max on my 9800pro but now with x1900xt lfs would need to have 15 times its current detail to make my system run it slow, oh yeah lfs by far has the best feel in physics and i own every sim thats been released, except i dont turn all fanboy on any sim again whats the point of limiting your selection, one way or another if you play one game for to long you will be bored at one time or another. I play what i feel like playing during the week and if the game is lfs or rfactor its irrelevent to me.

Quote from Captain Slow :

i cant do slanning. i love everyone.

and i like lfs cos i can spend all night making a skin just to try it out and not be happy with it and then spend another hour making it pretty. oh and the realistic physics and tracks and online racing and the whole community cos ther not a bunch of idiots like my freind who thinks lfs is sad. id give his adress for you to go and beat him up but id get wrong.

Lmao! wot's up with you latley telling everyone you love them?...Aaaah,:fluffy:

Slightly off topic, but is RBR considered "superior" to LFS regarding rallying? (i do not know the correct term for what RBR is for)

In my opinion, RBR is far superior than LFS regarding rallying. LFS is just much too simplistic on many aspects that are important for a rally simulation.

Yes, RBR does feel alot better in rally, just because it is made for rallying, LFS's main purpose is to simulate tarmac, and circuit racing...i hope that LFS will get a nice rally stage, and some cool 4wd cars

Quote from CSU1 :

Lmao! wot's up with you latley telling everyone you love them?...Aaaah,:fluffy:

He got a girlfriend

Quote from tristancliffe :

Apart from the long list of stuff we DO have over other sims, the most appealing bit is the repeating YETs. It's an ongoing thing (a WIP), and that's what REALLY appeals to me.

Same here. It's not a game, it's LFS!

I also love the community, and the way the dev team wants to listen to the players while they are working on something.

I think GTR2 is the best car game in the world....

Just joking... couldnt stop my fingers from writing this...
Welcome to LFS world...

i agree