This is a track that is about 1-2hr away from where I live, I wanna go there someday. But, this guy went into an off-camber corner at 90MPH. I think he might not braked soon enough, and that caused him to spin.

http://videos.streetfire.net/h ... a10-a056-988d01472c78.htm

Looks like he had to take his brain out to make room for his crash helmet. It's a common problem, to be frank.

wow, that bloke is about as sharp as a sausage!

he just turned in to rapidly. he wasn't smooth and as other people mentioned, he wasn't even trying to catch it. he obviously has no "feel" for what a car is doing.

speedfreak227

What a driver, seeing as its a road car, a WRX scooby, I bet he drives like that on the road.

Funny thing is, people who drive scoobies tend to think because they are 4WD they can take corners at silly speeds and still come out facing forwards, WRONG hehehe.

Infact, I am pretty suprised he lost the back end, scoobies are normally SOOOOOOOOOOOO understeery its not even funny, well, the ones I have driven have been.

Yeah the older ones are pretty understeered. I'm not 100% sure but I think the newer ones have DCCD, bit more neutral/oversteery.

Again one of these.

Is everyone an idiot/stupid who manages to spin during track days? :dunce:

Track days are meant for novice drivers and drivers interested to drive a bit faster.

Quote from Hyperactive :

Again one of these.

Is everyone an idiot/stupid who manages to spin during track days? :dunce:

Track days are meant for novice drivers and drivers interested to drive a bit faster.

It's simple, if you spin, crash blah blah, then you are either driving beyond YOUR or YOUR CARS capabilities, it's that simple.

Yes, they are meant for novice and interested drivers, but the trouble with trackdays is there is a certain set of people who think they are (insert name of good driver/rider here) and put themselves at risk, those are the people who spin off, it's the same with bike trackdays.

Glad I never span off when I did mine, would have been a bit more damage to me and my bike

@Hyper: This one was an idiot, because he has a 'quick' (ish, I guess) car, yet shows a complete lack of skill by countersteering a week later.

I've got no problem with people spinning or making mistakes. I've watched loads of silly mistakes on YouTube looking for certain track footage, and most of them get a bit above their talent level, or misjudge a corner etc, but they nearly always make a half decent, though insufficient, attempt at recovery. Thus they are not idiots. Watch my Reynard footage - both of us make sensible efforts at stopping spins, but Andrew wasn't quick enough, so he's not an idiot, but a newbie.

This guy, in this thread, IS an idiot for showing a lack of sense.

Quote from danowat :

It's simple, if you spin, crash blah blah, then you are either driving beyond YOUR or YOUR CARS capabilities, it's that simple.

Yes, they are meant for novice and interested drivers, but the trouble with trackdays is there is a certain set of people who think they are (insert name of good driver/rider here) and put themselves at risk, those are the people who spin off, it's the same with bike trackdays.

Glad I never span off when I did mine, would have been a bit more damage to me and my bike

I say it differently:

Track days are meant for novice drivers and drivers interested to drive a bit faster who have very little experience and feel of the car and its limits. These people (=every newbie on real track) are prone to "overdrive" because they are driving in totally different environment. What they are missing is the sense of speed.

EDIT: maybe it was a brain fart, he just braked way too late and just tried to go through the turn with too much speed. Or maybe he just didnt countersteer fast enough because he thought that the rear wouldn't step so much so fast. Or maybe he just "noticed" that he was going to spin anyway so he didn't bother to correct the slide. I've done it many times in LFS

Quote from Hyperactive :

I say it differently:

Track days are meant for novice drivers and drivers interested to drive a bit faster who have very little experience and feel of the car and its limits. These people (=every newbie on real track) are prone to "overdrive" because they are driving in totally different environment. What they are missing is the sense of speed.

I'd say thats bollocks, but you are entitled to your opinion

Quote from Driver (as posted in the comments of that video on streetfire.net) :

Yeah, this was a case of rookie-mistake. I realized i was going too fast a nd came completely out of the throttle = lift-throttle oversteer. By the time i started counter-steering it was too far gone for recovery. I dont think i added any more throttle at that point, which would have saved me from the slide, although I would have still gone off track with the front of the car going in the correct direction.

Why do things like this get analyzed to death and lead to generalised conclusions drawn from 30 seconds of video? All I saw in that clip was someone losing control, spinning out, likely soiling his pants and returning to track safely - big deal, atleast it was on a racetrack and not in someone's neighborhood... the fact that he realised his error (if that was him posting in the comment section of that video) is to his merit I guess.

It is important to analyze your mistakes. That is how you, a) name the mistake, and b) find a solution.

That turn is actually a lot faster than you would think. All you really need is a little brake just to settle the car, then back into throttle. There is a good deal more exit room than you would think because it is somewhat blind. I would say that he was right on the edge of traction, then back off the throttle a hair.

Someone spins there at every track day that I have been to. The one thing I don't see, though is an instructor. I'm not sure if this guy is ready yet to go solo.

VIR is an awesome track. Lots of elevation change, two long straights, big turns, small turns. The portion of track that this fellow started his vid from is known as the climbing esses. Takes lots of rythem and balls of steel to drive near wide open throttle.

VIR should be in S3!