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'Modern day WRC sissy driver' Latvala & old Escort RS1800 :eek:
3:30-3:40 is a bit busy part in the 1st vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWBOKD6fGu0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4ipMAU7orA
Interesting that Ford lets him do this (and iirc is actually supporting it). It can't be the safest car to roll.
3:30-3:40 is a bit busy part in the 1st vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWBOKD6fGu0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4ipMAU7orA
Interesting that Ford lets him do this (and iirc is actually supporting it). It can't be the safest car to roll.
I think one of your fellow Finns posted this already, but I should add that I was happy to be reminded to watch it again.
Just awesomely aggressive and on the very edge everywhere. Some of those top gear sections are about the most spectacular bits of automotive footage I have ever seen.
How sad that "progress" in rally technology has led us so far from such action at the top level. WRC should pay attention to what a show these drivers can put on in the right machinery.
but no heel & toe
WRC drivers have not learned it
with their 'automatic throttle blipping' flappy paddle gearbox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGk1p3-3kgYTommi u no heel & toe to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_7gax_TFlUYeah I posted it earlier, tho no harm posting again such good footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bosVxzLtZI4
This is an older video, but with better camera / position. Just shame it ends so quickly (and how).
On gravel heel & toe isn't usually needed because it doesn't make the car unstable like in paved surface. Or more like it does, but especially on RWD cars it actually helps to make it turn in better.
I have to admit still I'm a little surprised Tommi wasn't using heel & toe in Norschleife, but maybe he didn't feel it was needed with an 4wd car.
Even modern wrc drivers have to learn very advanced foot techniques so learning heel & toe shouldn't be a problem really.
Juha Kankkunen / Celica St185 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_a2W1jy2MM
Sometimes he uses the heel & toe, but sometimes not
Walter Röhrl / Audi S1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdy8CG09rSU
Probably he uses it all the time, but it's hard to tell from that footage
With modern wrc gearbox u dont need to heel & toe, all u do is left foot brake all the time, u don't even need to blip the throttle, because computer does it for you..
Sometimes he uses the heel & toe, but sometimes not
Walter Röhrl / Audi S1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdy8CG09rSU
Probably he uses it all the time, but it's hard to tell from that footage
With modern wrc gearbox u dont need to heel & toe, all u do is left foot brake all the time, u don't even need to blip the throttle, because computer does it for you..
You need to remember that drivers like Tommi and Juha started rallying with cars which pretty much required heel and toe. But then again you can get away with it on gravel so maybe they just did not learn it well.
I doubt that the reason for Latvala not using it here is lack of ability.
No way is someone that in control lacking a fairly simple and easy to pick up technique. Even if he's never driven a rally car which demands it, which I also doubt, he almost certainly would have road cars which do, and I'd imagine someone as gifted at driving as he is would be as much a student of the art as any driving "enthusiast" that wishes to develop their skills.
No way is someone that in control lacking a fairly simple and easy to pick up technique. Even if he's never driven a rally car which demands it, which I also doubt, he almost certainly would have road cars which do, and I'd imagine someone as gifted at driving as he is would be as much a student of the art as any driving "enthusiast" that wishes to develop their skills.
I remember when Alonso was in Renault, in one of his PR drive with a Clio he mentioned that Heel and Toe isn't always needed, in some situation it is better to just ease the clutch out, but I don't know the rationale of it.
Heel/Toe is just another technique in the quiver of the drivers skills. When your coming in somewhere hard and fast and you wanna drop straight down a couple of cogs then you need to do it just to save the engine and give yourself beter control in braking. But if your in a long sweeper then heel and toeing might unsettle the car with torque pull or wheel locking/spinning. You'd make your own judgements when to use it, just as you would with left foot braking, handbraking, looking out the window, checking your hair in the mirror, giving that cute girl the eye! . . . . .
You know what I mean, it's down to the driver at the end of the day.
You know what I mean, it's down to the driver at the end of the day.
If you are trying to get the rear out anyway 'letting the clutch IN' without blipping on down shift is a useful technique that works well in lfs as well.
Heel and toe does not wreck your motor or help preserve it in any way. You can ruin your motor by over revving it which you can do regardless if you heel and toe or not. Just letting the clutch up suddenly forcing the engine revs to go up (or the driven tires slow down and skid) does not hurt the engine.
The part that is taking the abuse is the drivetrain and especially clutch if you just throw in smaller gears without blipping and slide the clutch or just release the clutch very quickly.
And if you slip the clutch when downshifting then you can be smooth as well but you are also wearing he clutch. I'd imagine keeping the clutch steadily slipping while breaking in rough surfaces can be quite difficult though. And I doubt with more racing oriented clutch the slipping part is very very snappy anyways.
What heel and toe allows you to do is to downshift smoothly without wearing the clutch which makes it good technique especially for those long sweepers if you need to brake down while turning. I'd also imagine the cars being a lot more sensitive to the imbalance caused by sudden lift of the clutch on smooth tarmac than on gravel where you are not even driving the same corner hundreds of times trying to perfect it but instead you are just trying to get it right on the first try by simply eye balling it and trusting your co-driver's instructions.
Plus with four wheel driven car the effect of sudden clutch lift may be even very small with short ratio gearboxes where the difference between gears may be less than thousand rpm.
St. Ursanne Hillclimb 2012, compilation by MPZ
just imagine those cars from the latter half of the Vid going up Pikes Peak .. finesse, light weight, engineering, not raw power
just imagine those cars from the latter half of the Vid going up Pikes Peak .. finesse, light weight, engineering, not raw power
I love European hill climb. I don't know how it isn't a massive series, globally. It has everything, the speed, the noise, the danger, the cars, and surely it's fairly easy to cover, compared with a day of multi stage rallying anyway.
Camel Trophy. Not strictly racing, but still, competing in cars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGWp8R-IqoE
yeah, but I guess its better the way it is now, with more media coverage bigger manufacturer involvement would follow, and that wouldn't help the sport.
Its sad that so little hillclimbs are left in (Northern) Germany, back in the days each county had its annual race, but when our green party got to power most of those tracks were closed due to some ecological garbage
Sudden flashback from childhood :o Has this been shown on television? Or maybe then just some commercial.
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