most pro sports arent for pansies and neither is figure skating ... but you cant deny that male figure skaters (just like male ballroom dancers) usually look like giant queens which is an image most of us wouldnt like to be compared to
there is non per se drifting as such is always about looks (which of course includes speed as a sideways parked car isnt very exciting to look at)
but of course for funsies you can always have a non serious race with the rule that you have to clear the corners sideways as a handicap ... kind of like a weight penalty in touring cars or 3-legged races ... obviously this requires an even igher degree of fair play than normal racing
the only real difference you could think of is different approaches to cornes that either scrub of lots of speeds or take some more speed out on the following straight
any good drifter is able to adjust his lines to both approaches depending on the corner hes headed into
slow corner leading into a bendy part of the track => 'showier' drift
fast corner leading onto a long straight that requires lots of momentum to link ino the next corner without gripping => speedier drift
4 wheel drifts in historic cars and modern 'gripping' are two ways to race a car they both have the common goal of getting a car round a track as fast as possible.
Drifting is not a fast way of driving a car regardless of whether you consider it an art form or a silly activity wasting perfectly good rubber. The RL part of the second vid wasn't drifting AFAIK just warming tires up/having fun on an outlap.
At the Autosport show the drifters were blown away IMO by the winner of the Palmer Audi race who had phenomenal car control purposefully drifting a powerful single seater indoors on a floor with no grip to block on the straights.
Well thats not completly true ^.^ for tight turns drift could be the fastest but yes drifitng slows you down and wears your tyres but its not completley useless ;P
No for tight turns good throttle control is fastest simply flooring it and letting the rear end come round is what mortals do but it will never be as quick as a perfectly judged throttle control exit or (well set up) traction control.
If we restrict the argument to LFS cars (in dizzlez' case the three demo cars) the fastest way around a tarmac track in LFS (in dizzlez' case only Blackwood is relevant) is definitely not by drifting. Some slight 4W drift (as shown in the video I posted on page 2) can be advantageous (fun in the XRG) but back-out drifting will only slow you down and chew your rubber.
Speed drifting i suppose, although most of the time i dont really mean to drift, just try to make myself as wide as possible and to get the best line through a corner.
for example, sometimes on the exit of a corner which leads onto another corner, (example south sprint 1) coming out the second to last corner, i power on and basically powerslide round the last corner, making my car as wide as i can in an attempt to not let somebody past. usually works quite well. wouldnt consider this drifting though.
Using all of the avalable slip angle the tires are designed to use. Tires are desiged to slip alittle and doing so is not going to slow you down. Even in modern F1 people like Schumi drive and steer as much with the rear tires as they do the front. If the tires are squeeling you are past the point of useable slip angle.
I am faster using that technique then grip only. It does not wear the tires out either and means I am using a slight about of counter steering through the corners. Steer with both ends, Schumi does.
That sounds more like four-wheel drifting to me Gimpster - the methods sound the same and the end result sounds about the same too. Although I think with factors like traction control and huge downforce it probably isn't in common usage in modern F1 cars...we should also remember that LFS' physics aren't done yet (tyres especially) so probably don't reflect a real F1 car's behaviour as much as they probably could. However, not having driven the LFS BF1 all that much I can't comment on how well you can four-wheel drift it (so I'm not doubting you). Four-wheel drift works fine (and is great fun) in other LFS cars too, like the LXs and the XRG - most of the RWD roadies actually :up:
Speed drifting is obviously what you do when you attempt to break the land speed record with a Volvo 240GL on an road you've never driven before, whereas show drifting is what you do when you attempt to impress teenage girls with bluesmoking your recycled tyres around the local gas station.
I speed drift, simply because I can never handle big angles, so I just let the rear slide enough to look good, but I'm still doing 80+ into the Blackwood S turn
OMG - no offence but you're stupid?? or only try to other people think you're stupid ??
STOP LAUGHING!!
most of people who think the same as mr "CYA LTR" just don't know what drifting really is....
drifting is not racing!! if you can race - it doesnt mean you can also drift :P and vice versa!! (here are all "little drifting racers" wrong!!!) everything needs practice!!
try to understand that going little sideways at the end of the corner is not a drift by its definition..(i'm not telling here about practicing/learnign how to drift)
Speed drifting is all about to get less angle (countersteer is reduced to the minimum) instead of higher speed and better accelerate at the end of the corner. Also late braking.
it may sound little bit like racing but its not racing - its fast drifting
dont believe me ?? just see "DRIFT BIBLE" by KEIICHI TSUCHIYA
Umm, well, the competitions I've been in and the ones I've heard of, it's always about making it nice. But! The speed is in the judging criteria so, higher speed means more points. But, less angle means less points.
Here you have the judging criteria for Saiko D Twin Drift Competition (not sure about the exact name of the competition either, the forums for it isn't there now so..).
In S2, there isn't much about speed drifting. But on the demo it's either show or speed so maybe there, they have speed drift competitions.
Sorry for my english but I do think you'll understand.
Edit: Oh btw, I do think I got this right now and if I didn't, someone who knows should correct me.
Earth to mars....I was joking...chill and stop calling me stupid. Dressing your 'explanation' in personal attacks doesn't do it any justice in my eyes. If you can't see what I wrote was a joke, then you need to take your flame goggles of when reading internet forums. My joke didn't contain squat of whatever 'racing vs drifting' secret message you managed to read from between the lines.
