Quote from Motörhead V8 :

but if we have a team of modders, allowed(right word?) by scavier to make mods, only good mods would come out

and who wouldn't like to race a fzr(maybe a lx8) on Nordschleife ?

The question is this: what people want of modding is to recreate real cars and tracks, and that way the devs can´t be part of it, because if you do release a mod with real cars and tracks without being licensed to, you're infact doing something "illegal"... I would prefer , if in the future modding is allowed, that the mods should be released with the aproval of the dev team, but for that to happen, we would have to keep it the way it is now: with fictional cars and tracks.

Quote from joen :

One word: licenses.

If modding would be made possible there would be one (IMO) very important condition. And that is, all content should be part of an automatic update system. So LFS itselfs keeps your content up to date whenever version 1.0.2.3 of mod XYZ is released.

yes, the licences would be the big issue if the devs, somehow, be a part of modding.
but if they don't?

one aumomatic update system could be done by someone in community as a add-on
this way the devs stay away from anything related to mods

GPL has a huge collection of tracks, how they did that? i suppose that GPL developers didn't pay for licences, because those mods are made by the community

Quote from joen :

That's the hardest part of it all. Who's going to determine the quality standards and who is going to control them?

just like you propose, the community votes for the best mods, they do some offline "test-driving"

but, whats happen after the mods are chosen? the devs must update the master server.

i may be wrong, but that way they get involved with modding, dont they?

IMO i guess its a little bit soon to discuss modding, we dont even got S2 finished

ps: sorry for bad english, i'm not used to write that much in english hehe

Quote from Motörhead V8 :

GPL has a huge collection of tracks, how they did that? i suppose that GPL developers didn't pay for licences, because those mods are made by the community

GPL wasn't made for modding, mods were created by some sort of hex editing afaik. Really complicated stuff, I guess sort of like in the same way Kegetys got the McLaren into LFS.

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but, whats happen after the mods are chosen? the devs must update the master server.

i may be wrong, but that way they get involved with modding, dont they?

Yes, exactly. That's the problem I tried to make clear. If copyrighted content would be allowed through the master server, the devs would be involved and therefore in violation.

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ps: sorry for bad english, i'm not used to write that much in english hehe

Your english is fine, better than some of the native speakers

I won't accept no from many because many seem to think that modding would simply spoil everything because of crap mods as in other games and failing to see how there are really many ways to prevent that. What I have in mind is that you can't input 10000 hp editor would not allow that, unless you choose ship engine and that would take lot of space so can't put into anything smaller than a ship. It just requires bit of imagination to think how issues can be solved, denying is simplest method to take care of issue, also very bad, imo.

Is mod bad if graphic model is not perfectly accurate, even if performance and handling is perfectly accurate?
I don't care really lot from graphics, there small errors are ok, but handling and performance must be correct. Also better graphic guy can easily offer to upgrade graphics, handling is whole lot different matter.

You can see what happens when modding is hard with rFactor, people modding are not engineers, if you make things too hard people will take short cuts and look and behold crap mods, either very easy and controlling editor environment or nothing at all.

As I said before and have written to another thread, it is not master server where stuff should need to be updated and specially not manually, that would be most stupid, more creative way must be made.

Oh yes, about 6 years stuff, sense of humour? Don't take all from me so seriously or you will get shocked many many times, I'm not serious guy at all, more of bit crazy

I don't have anything against discussion I like it, it would be just more convient to discuss in here where we started so I will not say anything to anyone in this thread after this, please move to discussion to appropriate place so it will then be more useful also later to find things what has been discussed already and put lock to this!

Quote from Motörhead V8 :

yes, the licences would be the big issue if the devs, somehow, be a part of modding.
but if they don't?

It is illegal either way. The only difference is that it's a lot easier and more lucrative to sue a company than it is to sue an individual.

Quote from Motörhead V8 :

after s3 is out, why not allow only track modding, we get some REAL LIFE tracks?
with a quality control probably some good stuff would be released.

i see the point of view of yours, if modding is allowed a lot of crap would be released, also online racing will become very confusing with a lot of mods around.
but if we have a team of modders, allowed(right word?) by scavier to make mods, only good mods would come out

and who wouldn't like to race a fzr(maybe a lx8) on Nordschleife ?

Real Asphalt is over rated.

Quote from joen :

Why?

Same reason games are made for consoles that havent hit the market yet: Launch Title

Quote from chunkyracer :

The question is this: what people want of modding is to recreate real cars and tracks, and that way the devs can´t be part of it, because if you do release a mod with real cars and tracks without being licensed to, you're infact doing something "illegal"... I would prefer , if in the future modding is allowed, that the mods should be released with the aproval of the dev team, but for that to happen, we would have to keep it the way it is now: with fictional cars and tracks.

Unless permission is attained directly from the car's owner, like the way we have aquired DP Cars cooperation. If the devs decide to use it at this point is up to them.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

It is illegal either way. The only difference is that it's a lot easier and more lucrative to sue a company than it is to sue an individual.

bingo

Quote from tristancliffe :

If opening LFS to modding means more people who use underlined garbage as a medium of conversation, then that just seals it.

Some games NEED modding to work (rCraptor for example, which would be nothing without mods as the dev team have zero understanding of car dynamics, although it is only just above nothing WITH modding), others don't.

LFS doesn't need it at all.

If it happens, I hope there is a way to stop people like you being able to mod it - perhaps a £100 Dev-Kit fee and licence.

Jesus Christ, Tristan, what the **** is your problem? Are you this miserable, arrogant and condescending in real life? You must have absolutely no friends. The only thing you ever post is self-important bile.

Yes, I am this miserable, arrogant and condescending in real life. And I think that's the reason I have quite a number of friends actually. Much rather this than some 'follow the leader, what-he-says, trend following sheep.

Not EVERYTHING I post is self-important bile. Only last week I said something nice on this very forum!

Quote from sam1600 :

Jesus Christ, Tristan, what the **** is your problem? Are you this miserable, arrogant and condescending in real life?

Nah. Not Tristan, Ok so I only met him once but he bought me a pint

a deed i shall repay

Quote from tristancliffe :

Yes, I am this miserable, arrogant and condescending in real life. And I think that's the reason I have quite a number of friends actually. Much rather this than some 'follow the leader, what-he-says, trend following sheep.

Not EVERYTHING I post is self-important bile. Only last week I said something nice on this very forum!

Ah, the old 'I-just-say-what-I-really-think-at-least-I'm-honest' defence; a favourite hiding place for pricks the world over.

As for your attempt at humour, you manage to be simultaneously self-deprecating and self-important. Well done!

How's the race car going? Was it F3 or F3000? I can't, for the life of me, remember...

I think this discussion has reached a natural conclusion. Thanks