Damn straight some drivers go there entire career without the streak he is having atm (yes he is very good and in the best car of the season)..
Damn straight some drivers go there entire career without the streak he is having atm (yes he is very good and in the best car of the season)..
McLaren team orders - legal?
McLaren should be docked all the WCC points for Monaco IMO - it seems that it isn't within the rules. Just as bad as Rubens stomping on the brakes at A1-Ring to let TGF through :thumbsdow
There were no team orders in rule point of view because it would have meant that the other driver had been told to let the guy behind pass. Obviously that did not happen. They said to cool it down which is reasonable because on a tight track like that it's impossible to race the car front of you, and in addition, it could have ended badly for the team.
I have to agree, the more I hear of Hamilton, the less I like him. On ITV's show yesterday somebody (was it Jackie Stewart? Can't remember) was banging on about how he's typical of a new breed of media-savvy racing driver, and I wondered if he'd seen the same interviews I've seen. He always looks very wooden to me, and generally puts his foot in his mouth whenever he speaks.
I don't know if he intends to sound conceited each time a mic is shoved in his face, but he does.
lol its kinda hard not to be conceited when you are lewis hamilton. 
Is anyone else as irritated as I am about ITV's Hamilton worship? I switch off after the press conference has been shown because the remainder of the programme it too painful to watch.
Even during the race James Allen seems to have to talk about Hamilton's chances incessantly. If it looks like he's doing well then Allen talks like he's about to win the race. If it's not going well then he creates as many excuses as possible for the reason that wonder-boy isn't winning. I thought the Jenson Button love was irritating, but this is on a whole new level.
I also don't understand the whining about McLaren favouring Alonso regarding fuel strategies. They put Hamilton on a one-stop so that, if the safety car was deployed, he would end up in the lead. The SC has been deployed in four of the last 5 races so it could be argued that there was an 80% chance of Hamilton winning the race after qualifying. The SC wasn't deployed so the sensible thing to do was to tell them to hold station.
Of course I doubt that the British press will see it that way
Even during the race James Allen seems to have to talk about Hamilton's chances incessantly. If it looks like he's doing well then Allen talks like he's about to win the race. If it's not going well then he creates as many excuses as possible for the reason that wonder-boy isn't winning. I thought the Jenson Button love was irritating, but this is on a whole new level.
I also don't understand the whining about McLaren favouring Alonso regarding fuel strategies. They put Hamilton on a one-stop so that, if the safety car was deployed, he would end up in the lead. The SC has been deployed in four of the last 5 races so it could be argued that there was an 80% chance of Hamilton winning the race after qualifying. The SC wasn't deployed so the sensible thing to do was to tell them to hold station.
Of course I doubt that the British press will see it that way
why not do like alot of uk guys and watch speed tv instead of itv 
So far we only know two things about Hamilton:
1) He's a safe pair of hands, he brings the car home.
2) He's not as fast as Alonso.
I remember Coulthard led the drivers' championship sometimes when he was at McLaren...
Agree but I think there's a big difference between letting them run until the final pitstops and letting them run until only the first. When you jump in that early you really are mocking the spectators IMO.
Also I don't fully understand Ron Dennis' explaination. Why exactly is a one stop strategy better in case there is a pace car? Why did LH only have 5 laps more fuel than FA if fhe really was on a one stop strategy? Why exactly did they switch to two stops during the race? One stop worked quite well for Wurz and Kubica.
What I do understand is that they saw just how hard both drivers were chucking their cars around (a beauty to watch) and then got scared that maybe they would throw away a very very good chance to win the race. Especially for Lewis, who touched bariers more than one, I think this was a good decision from a team point of view.
Disagree. So far we know that he is able to give the best driver in F1 a run for his money in every race and qualifying from his first race onwards (compare to Rosberg, Kubica, Kovalainen) and doesn't make any mistakes while doing it.
some people seem to have taken a few sips..
You're so american sometimes.
I suppose it's different if you don't watch ITV's coverage - you'd be sick of the sight of him by now, too. You have to bear in mind we had years of "The Jenson Button Show, Featuring Formula 1" before Hamilton showed up, even when Button never looked likely to win a race. Imagine how bad it is now.
eh...
Let me get this straight, all them years of Schumacher's team mates being told not to fight him and the FIA don't do anything about it and now when McLaren at least let there drivers drive on the ragged edge for part of the GP they are `under investigation.` That makes sense... So are they saying they should just keep it secret like the red team do?
I seem to remember Alonso romping away even after slowing heavily for the yellows and Hamilton being pretty ragged. In my view Ron had no option but to tell his drivers to take it easy, I don't think Lewis would have made the end of the GP had he let them push on. To me Lewis looked like he had to take a lot of chances to keep in touch with Alonso.
Yep, that's really the issue now. We should accept that McLaren didn't break any rules and publicly explained what happened and leave it at that. Now that the FIA are investigating McLaren will just keep quiet next time and the spectators will lose out even more.
Yeah it seemed to me that Hamilton was either struggling to keep up or struggling to maintain concentration, but Alonso didn't look like he had to push too hard.
But telling the world's press that your drivers weren't trying and that you dictated the result from the pit wall from lap 10 is a really stupid thing to do, and I hope they do give him a slap for it.
But telling the world's press that your drivers weren't trying and that you dictated the result from the pit wall from lap 10 is a really stupid thing to do, and I hope they do give him a slap for it.
FIA to investigate the McLaren team orders.
I have to agree that I was surprised by the candid nature of Dennis' comments, but I'm more surprised that Ferrari International Assistance need to act so soon and so obviously this year.
Besides, I've never agreed with the rule about team orders anyway. What exactly is the point of running a team with two cars on the track if you're not allowed to co-ordinate them to increase your chances of success? They may as well ban two car teams and make every team run just the one car.
Maybe to stop team orders a rule similar to the bonus point in speedway could be done?
In speedway, points are awarded to the best 3 of the 4 riders in a 3-2-1-0 style. However, if a team gets a one-two, for the purposes of the rider's averages both are deemed to have won. In this case, any driver who finishes second behind their team-mate would score 10 points as well.
It wouldn't be the best option, but unless F1 loses the teams limit and allows off the peg chassis purchases (like my suggestion in another thread) and starts awarding points to the best user of that chassis in that race.
There is nothing wrong with team orders as long as it doesn't make a mockery like Austria 2002. What is the point in there being teams in F1 if they can't work as... a team?
Ferrari have gotten off with it through out the whole of Schumacher's career in the fashion of what McLaren did. At least McLaren let their two drivers push hard for a while rather than do a Ferrari where you know from the off that Massa/Barichello/Irvine wouldn't be allowed to push Schumacher.
I wander why the FIA didn't investigate Suzuka 2006 where I seem to remember Massa coming right off the throttle pedal to let Schumacher pass...
In the end do fans want to be deceived (the Ferrari way) or do they want to know more about how the race unfolded? In the end it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out they had backed off, does it?
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How, exactly, would this help? You'd then have a situation where the two leaders wouldn't want to race each other.
McLaren did nothing wrong. I really can't understand why people can't comprehend that F1 is a team sport as much as it is an individual sport. It would have been ridiculous for Alonso and Hamilton to race each other and risk crashing or stressing the car too much. There was an on-board shot with Alonso about halfway through the race and you could see that he was shifting well short of 19,000rpm...very sensible, given that their nearest rivals finished over a minute down the road.
Don't blame McLaren for what happened, blame the other teams for not doing their job well enough to force McLaren to race all the way.
Montoya has a great personality, he just can't drive a NASCAR stock car worth a damn... He needs to come back to F1
Actually this team orders thing this time has annoyed me, and it's never annoyed me before, the reason is that they came into force so darned early. After all the pit stops where done and dusted I would not mind, but to issue team orders with no championship at steak as early as the first round of pit stops, I feel like the kid was robbed - and I was robbed as a spectator.
Strange, because usually I dont see the harm in team orders. I think I might be slowly becoming a Lewis fan.
Suprising, as I thought I supported Alonso.
Strange, because usually I dont see the harm in team orders. I think I might be slowly becoming a Lewis fan.
Suprising, as I thought I supported Alonso.
Mmm, steak. Now you've made me hungry!
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