Regarding that "incident" that Boris not so good "reconstructed" here is how it really was:
http://rapidshare.com/files/39949391/1.33.59.mpr.html
Start of the lap 3. Battle for first position I think...
In the question is second contact near the breaking zone.

For me it is clear that Boris had enough room, Darko never crossed the white line which gives a plenty of room for the side car, from white line to the grass there is more than XFG width there... Darko started to move away from the white line and from Boris, when Boris hit him and made him spin...

So its totally opposite than it was reconstructed.

Please make a comment.

Oh yeah and a youtube linky...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ze6nv3Ovg
but take a look at the replay, you can see in more details, you can see that both drivers took a look where the other one was, you can see it all...

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

its hard to explain, if someone is there then physics means that u will force them off.

I have seen a video, or mpr rather, wher you complained that you running someone off was not YOUR fault. and now you say this, that if you go in on the inside it doesnt matter if you push them off because the physics cause that. actually it is YOUR job to controll your car so that this doesnt happen. NOT the job of the person on the out side to "watch out". yes they have to consider that you (or whoever) is there but should not have to expect to be pushed out.

You seriously need to review your preception of racing in this regard that is not how racing should be (not that it doesnt happen) but should be avoided at all costs.

BTW: you did deserve that ban for mouthing off and not just apologizing.

Quote from Dragonmen :

Please make a comment.

IMO the one in front's fault, not enough room for my liking. But it doesn't look like he tried to make Boris back off, or put him into the grass, he just thought that he had left enough room to not get hit.

Quote from J.B. :

IMO the one in front's fault, not enough room for my liking. But it doesn't look like he tried to make Boris back off, or put him into the grass, he just thought that he had left enough room to not get hit.

Well I raced with Boris and if I was there I wouldnt expect from him to hit me there, he had a room there, more than enough. The leading car is going away from him already leaving even more room...

That argument hardly holds any water

Well you never can really tell when is enough because someone can always hit you no matter how much room you gave him...




Thnx for comment!

I'd say it's closer to less than enough than more than enough. But either way, you were taking an unnecessary risk. Driving half a metre further to the right wouldn't have hurt your race in any way at all.

Quote from legoflamb :

actually it is YOUR job to controll your car so that this doesnt happen. NOT the job of the person on the out side to "watch out". yes they have to consider that you (or whoever) is there but should not have to expect to be pushed out.

i cant beleive we are still having this discussion, when he hits me you can clearly see my car HEADS towards the outside because he is clipping my rear, i add more steering lock and let off the throttle to try and get out of it, where as the guy touching me carries on flooring the throttle and turning (which means i cant turn!!)

watch my cars behaviour when he hit me it changed the angle of my car a GREAT deal. i was not trying to force him off on the outside, and had i have been trying to i would have admitted it (like i have admitted earlier in this thread)

anyone who thinks that was my fault must be blind because u can see my car all of a sudden change angle when he turns in on me

He isn't really turning in on you, he is trying to simply make the turn. You didn't give any room.

Edit -> And there was really no need to squeeze him there, as you would have had the inside for the next two turns anyway.

how can i give room when i am on the inside? he did turn in on me, because he tried to take the same peice of road that i was on

I DIDNT SQUEEZE HIM, HE HIT ME AND I COULDNT STEER U CAN QUITE CLEARLY SEE ME ADDING MORE STEERING

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

but i guess it depends on wheter u are in it for fun or to learn real racing...

I dont wish to get dragged into this, but WTF would i play LFS for if it wasn't fun? If you get more "enjoyment" out of winning than having a fun racing, then i suppose you can justify doing crazy manoeuvres etc, but i can't

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

how can i give room when i am on the inside?

Quote from J.B. :

I'd say it's closer to less than enough than more than enough. But either way, you were taking an unnecessary risk. Driving half a metre further to the right wouldn't have hurt your race in any way at all.

Thanks, exactly as i told them on our forum, i tried to go left as much as i could but he didn't want to stop closing, so the contact happened. He could move just a little more right and nothing would happen..
Dragonmen just desperately want's to defend his team mate...

it is fun, i just get frustrated when i get blamed for something that 1. wasnt my fault and 2. even if it WAS i didnt WANT or try to squeeze him out.

if it was my fault i would admit it, like i admit what i did to krawani on lap 1 was naughty, because i dont care about the respect of 99.5% of people here.

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

i cant beleive we are still having this discussion, when he hits me

he doesnt hit you you hit him after being way too fast miles away from the apex completely out of control

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

i cant beleive we are still having this discussion

Until you see the error of your ways, the discussion will go on.

When 95% of people that looked at the incident think your in the wrong something must be up. We cant all be complete morons, surely?

how did i hit him? i8 wasnt way too fast for the corner, i would have made the corner, until he hit me and my car and it changed angle towards the outside of the corner... how can u all not see that???

well senna, the problem is, that you don't know what is going on around you.

if you compare the number of looking right/left from you and kraniwani for example the result is, that krani looks 20-30 times left/right too see how much room the other car has and you are exactly turning your head zero times.

learn from the comments or stick with your opinion, but it think then the next ban is only a matter of time.

Quote from The Moose :

When 95% of people that looked at the incident think your in the wrong something must be up. We cant all be complete morons, surely?

no all of u arent morons, just 95%

Quote from MrSkill :

well senna, the problem is, that you don't know what is going on around you.

if you compare the number of looking right/left from you and kraniwani for example the result is, that krani looks 20-30 times left/right too see how much room the other car has and you are exactly turning your head zero times.

learn from the comments or stick with your opinion, but it think then the next ban is only a matter of time.

i could see out of the side of my car because i use 130 FOV and forces view, so i dont need to turn my head. the kraniwani thing in the chicane was a bit naught from me and i admit that so we arent talking about that. a proper racer would have binned me into the tyres and i wouldnt have complained.

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

...a proper racer would have binned me into the tyres and i wouldnt have complained.

How the hell can someone be a proper racer and yet "bin you into the tyres"

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

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Dude, stop posting or it will run on and on until you have no where left to go.

A lot of people have said something about your driving/passing being a little too aggressive work on that and take it as a positive from this.

OR you could continue to post and make things even worse, just stop posting and move on, let others post if they want but just don't get dragged back into all this.

I dont really care who is to blame in incidents, I normally say "sorry" even if it appears its the other chaps fault, why? because I just want to clear the air and race on.

I see more and more threads about whos fault was this and that and replays with players calling each other idiots or noobs, or even worse swearing (whats the point of that?) and I just dont get it, when on a race track you are racing with other players, we all have to share the same track and sometimes crashes happen.
but when 2 cars are side by side or passing IMO respect is earnt for allowing others to race aswell, sometimes the fastest inside-outside line will use all the track, however when another car is alongside a good driver takes this into account and adjusts thier line accordingly and not just state over and over "I'm in the right"

just my opinion of late.

SD.

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

how did i hit him? i8 wasnt way too fast for the corner, i would have made the corner, until he hit me and my car and it changed angle towards the outside of the corner... how can u all not see that???

youre already going way faster than anypody else plunging into the corner with locked tyres while the car isnt even pointing at the apex
http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... mp;stc=1&d=1183132446

miles away from the apex utterly out of control with no hope of clipping the apex slowly sliding into al
http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... mp;stc=1&d=1183132446

just moments before you hit al (who has more than just significant overlap at this point)
again miles away from the apex hopelessly sliding with the car completely out of shape
http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... mp;stc=1&d=1183132446

Quote from MrSkill :

if you compare the number of looking right/left from you and kraniwani for example the result is, that krani looks 20-30 times left/right too see how much room the other car has and you are exactly turning your head zero times.

probably because krani is a german eps driver and a_s well ... isnt

the fact is i COULDNT STEER and i didnt want to take him off, i COULDNT STEER.

heres some pics to prove it

notice with 1, my angle is the same as krawanis, then in 2 my angle has altered big time once he hit me.

3 was taken at the same time as 1, notice my steering angle.

after he hit me, look at my steering angle in 4, this was taken the same time as pic 2.
the fact is i COULDNT STEER lol

i locked my tyres to start with yes, then they stopped locking, and i would have made the corner, u can see by my angle. i use mouse so its easy to lock tyres as i downshift, just watch the rest of the lap.

i honestly cant see how u guys cant see my car change when he hits it, its so annoying.

EDIT, and shotglass, look from the same angle as you are using again, and u will see my car isnt always out of control, its just as he touches me. and after he touched me (and was still in contact) u can see my front tyres fully green (which means that i was trying to steer out of it as hard as i can)

the accident was only an accident, my overtake was fine, and he didnt see me on the inside. im just not happy at how my car takes a totally different angle after its hit and i got the blame without them seeing the replay.

probably you're right with the point that you coudn't steer in that moment, but you forgot that you've done alle mistakes before that.

the contact with al is because you left your line and rammed Al with your rear.

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

shotglass, look from the same angle as you are using again, and u will see my car isnt always out of control, its just as he touches me. and after he touched me (and was still in contact) u can see my front tyres fully green (which means that i was trying to steer out of it as hard as i can)

all 4 tyres are completely red for ar least a second before you hit al

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the accident was only an accident, my overtake was fine

no it was not you went into the corner way too fast

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and he didnt see me on the inside

where you werent
you were on an outside line ... you could prpbably fit 2 uf1s between your car and the apex and theres easily enough room for a tbo on _your_ inside

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im just not happy at how my car takes a totally different angle after its hit

no it takes a completely different angle after you slide into al which is completely on you

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and i got the blame without them seeing the replay.

you called him an idiot without looking at the replay yourself