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It's more or less what happens in Italy, with a little difference: the number of parties that want to screw you is higher.
Quote from Hankstar :So, our election days are all about choosing the lesser of two evils.

"The lesser of two evils is still evil. And the enemy of my enemy is not my friend." Pinched from Penn & Tell's Bullshit - Holier Than Thou.

The sad thing is, here is people don't do anything about it, people either don't vote, or they make "protest votes" which involves voting for someone who has no chance in hell because "it makes a point".
Quote from Hankstar :draw a big cock & balls on the ballot

I love how you put a phallic representation on a ballot at a church

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :"The lesser of two evils is still evil. And the enemy of my enemy is not my friend." Pinched from Penn & Tell's Bullshit - Holier Than Thou.

I love that show more and more all the time...

Quote :The sad thing is, here is people don't do anything about it, people either don't vote, or they make "protest votes" which involves voting for someone who has no chance in hell because "it makes a point".

I sorta do the same thing; I don't vote. It's not to prove a point, though, it's because I know that I'll be bent over the ballot table either way. Politicians are all crooks, that's the pre-requisite.

In Canada, we also have a two party race: Liberals and Conservatives. I love how our two major parties have names that are the definition of complete opposite ideologies, but have one common goal; to screw the people out of everything they own.
We've got two other parties, as well; the NDP (I forget what it stands for, and I don't give a rats ass either) and the Bloq Quebecqois who's only agenda is seperation from Canada. I guess no one has told them that constitutionally Quebec cannot seperate from Canada. Either that or their just thick. I'm going with the latter option. I say let Quebec seperate if the majority of Quebec citizens wants to; and then give them three quatres of our national defecit (since 95% of it is the fault of French politicians anyways) and have a clause that mandates them not allowed to join any other country, ever, except France. But, we all know that even France doesn't want Quebec. (No offence to those who live in Quebec, I just hate the mentality of many of the non-English speaking citizens there. They all treat me like shit:tilt
Having said what I said, I should clarify that I always vote properly. I believe drawing a cock & balls really is a waste - because you could use that ballot to vote against the Liberal/National coalition Don't let the name fool you - they're liberals in name only. They're closer to Tories and Republicans and the Nationals all dig country music a little too much ...

Quote from MAGGOT :I love how you put a phallic representation on a ballot at a church

Meh, on election day a church is far from a holy place - especially if people use it to re-elect the Libs. I'm going to burn in hell anyway, so what's another few degrees on the thermometer?
Quote from Hankstar :Meh, on election day a church is far from a holy place - especially if people use it to re-elect the Libs. I'm going to burn in hell anyway, so what's another few degrees on the thermometer?

Very true. The non-holy part, not the hell part. That remains to be revealed.
Quote from MAGGOT :I love that show more and more all the time...

Best show to come out of America. well maybe second to CSI.

Quote from MAGGOT :I sorta do the same thing; I don't vote. It's not to prove a point, though, it's because I know that I'll be bent over the ballot table either way. Politicians are all crooks, that's the pre-requisite.

In Canada, we also have a two party race: Liberals and Conservatives. I love how our two major parties have names that are the definition of complete opposite ideologies, but have one common goal; to screw the people out of everything they own.

Liberal, and Conservative all leads to the same place Fascism. Liberals are all about communism, conservatives are all about religion, which all come back to fascism.

Quote from MAGGOT :Stuff abut Quebec

Didn't they just become an Independent Territory in the United States of Canada?
Quote from MAGGOT :Very true. The non-holy part, not the hell part. That remains to be revealed.

A good point - I don't actually believe in hell or any of its associated mythology, including the ability of things or people to become "holy".

Hell, for me, is a world run by people who don't want to know anything more than they already know - and try and make everyone else think the same way. And the planet seems to be warming up ever so slowly ...
Quote from Hankstar :Hell, for me, is a world run by people who don't want to know anything more than they already know - and try and make everyone else think the same way. And the planet seems to be warming up ever so slowly ...

Well how do we know this isn't hell? We don't have to know we're dead, it could be a case of when you die your memories are whipped and you start fresh in this hell hole.
Quote from Hankstar :Hell, for me, is a world run by people who don't want to know anything more than they already know - and try and make everyone else think the same way. And the planet seems to be warming up ever so slowly ...

Finally, the truth about global warming
Quote from Hankstar :A good point - I don't actually believe in hell or any of its associated mythology, including the ability of things or people to become "holy".

I have completely run out of patience with religions too. All of them. Ignorant ****s.
Quote from thisnameistaken :I have completely run out of patience with religions too. All of them. Ignorant ****s.

I second this.
Quote :Another nail in the coffin of Free Speech? You decide.



Quote :Westboro Baptist Church, that's the name of those sociopaths!

With folk like this blabbing off, hand me the hammer- I'll drive in a few more nails.

Just kidding, but I saw that woman on American news, and she's downright chilling. She obviously grew up with this stuff spoon fed to her from day one (I imagine to the almost total exclusion of all other media). Totally bizarre. These guys are really cultish. I think their 'religion' includes only about 100 people or so, mostly made up of family members. You can't but help think that many of them were probably abused as kids, and then made to feel horrible about it. Who knows?

Quote :our election days are all about choosing the lesser of two evils.

Sucks to be sure, but I've got friends in Holland, and you should see some of their parties! Like, there's a full blown honest to god paedophilia party! How's that? And I'm sure there were others that they were too embarrassed to tell me about
Heh, now that you mention cult; what is the difference between a cult and a religion?

As far as I can tell there is absolutely no difference. Some say cults are local; not true, many span the globe. Some say cults demand money and religions don't; as I understand it in Judaism there is a whole thing about giving money to the community, and for christianity god help you if you don't give to the church collection plate. Sacrifices? Yup, some religions have those too.

Anyone know what the difference is?
The size, you start as a cult, but once you get enough members you can register as an official religion, from memory the Jedi's got the official status in 2000 as they got the required number of members of the Jedi Church.
Ah, so basically then a Religion is a large Cult. That's pretty much what I thought.
Cults are smaller, religions are bigger. I think there's even a definite idea about numbers, if you want to define whether a cult or religion... but I'd have to look it up.

oops, beaten by the Psychoman
Quote from MAGGOT :Ah, so basically then a Religion is a large Cult. That's pretty much what I thought.

I think there is some middle stand point (cult, sect, religion, or maybe sect, cult religion), but basically, yes, a religion is just a large cult. Of course the Church will always look down on cults because it takes away money from their collection plates. Like here.
Upon 5 minutes of research, it seems the negative connotations the word 'cult' has recieved is largely due to the public being comprised of morons. Not suprising in the least, really.

Oh well. I still think both are pointless and hold no meaning to my existance.
Just like a culture is a large cult Just without the head dunking and animal sacrifices. But probably sometimes, those too
If you neglect modern ideas of what cult means (which I do for a lot of words)

cult noun 1 a a system of religious belief; b the sect of people following such a system.
ETYMOLOGY: 17c: from Latin cultus worship, from colere to cultivate.
Quote from MAGGOT :Heh, now that you mention cult; what is the difference between a cult and a religion?

I don't buy the size argument. The Jesus Christ Church of Latter Day Saints is global and it's still a cult in my book.

Quote from MAGGOT :the negative connotations the word 'cult' has recieved is largely due to the public being comprised of morons.

Are you sure it's not "mormons"? Don't get me started on mormons!
Mormon, moron, same thing:P

Heh.. my Mom's a Mormon... although she's not a practicing mormon.
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Quote from thisnameistaken :...Don't get me started on mormons!

enlighten us, preferably with appropriate links to Bill Bailey videos :P

(Because of you i'm now trying to track down the "Bill Bailey - The Ultimate Collection" CD, just for the "HUMAN SLAVES! Oooaaaaa-a-a-ah!")
Etymologically there doesn't seem to be much difference between "cult" and "religion". Both belief systems ask their members to take what is said to them by their leaders or earthly representatives as sacred truth and both ask various things of their members as proof of their loyalty to or faith in the leader, figure-head or god. Lately, though, a cult usually involves some kind of living human leader who claims either to be some form of divine being himself or the one true prophet of a divine being. In the case of Mormonism, founder Joseph Smith was that leader and I suppose using that definition you can call it a cult. According to the New Testament, Christianity started off the same way, with a small group of people, loyal to one earthly man whom they thought was god's man on earth, spreading this story until it caught hold of a large chunk of the world. Perhaps the real difference is time & endurance as well as mere size?

I think another main difference is that mainstream religions (long-standing cults themselves, technically) and established power structures often demonise & denigrate other religions by calling them "cults"

Quote from MAGGOT :Heh.. my Mom's a Mormon... although she's not a practicing mormon.

Well, she'll never get any better if she doesn't practice.
Two things I'll say on Religion, one is take Penn and Teller's advice, read the bible all the way through, if that doesn't make you lose faith in religion nothing will.

And two link. Worth a watch.

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