On LFS i give the reasonable amounts of room 'unless i make a mistake' when people are alongside , or overtaking but its not good enough is it... they think cutting you up is fun, and then blaming YOU for the incident, its a joke, theres no give an take, its just give once, take 30 times, if people take too much, you will find they don't win races, so often can you let a guy through for him to go ahead of you, and crash out anyway, people think its NOW OR NEVER constantly, last lap, sure, thats fine by me, however annoyed i will end up if i am on the receiving end, alot of people need to learn you can play the 'stalking game' just like Rossi in Moto GP, plan where YOU are faster, and try and build a good lap up, to pass them where YOU want to, that way the pass falls into place for you, unless the guy cuts you up, which sadly, will probobly happen...

Im in a tough situation, i can race cleanly, but im not fast enough to leave behind the people who can't and what makes it worse is that there are people alot faster than me 2/3 seconds, who can't race anyway, so when you think 'oh hes faster' 'it will be nice racing' it just.... i don't understand the community of this game at all... and it reflects both in my forum posting, and chat on game servers.

Any suggestions? im getting faster all the time, im not asking for help to be fast... just on how to deal with these people that continue to cut me up, some say 'sorry' but they still do it again.

Stop racing and go pick some flowers.

Quote from richy :

Stop racing and go pick some flowers.

I do remember YOU Richy, we had an awesome race at Fern Bay Club, my best online race to date! fighting for like... 10th 11th position, it was great!

In a sprint race no one really thinks about trying to finish, which is rather silly really the CTRA single seater server was like that tonight, just steering through the carnage and there were some people who I'd marked to just let past and not bother trying to race them because I knew there was absolutley no way they were going to finish the race and would rather their exits didn't involve me. Rather sadly I was right and just cruising round at a comfortable pace never seem to fail to get me somewhere 3rd-5th on a full server

I think the generall Etiquette of PUBLIC servers is very low, sure, you get fast people, and sure you get nice people... but there is never a race without contact, but im not talking, rubbing doors, im talking... revenge wrecks, and just cold blooded dirtyness!

I don't think i can adapt into your style though ajp, its going to be hard, im probobly only at YOUR 'reasonable pace' if im pushing a bit, im good at being consistant, if there is enough tyre makes to form a braking groove

Because there's more drivers in LFS then all 3 that play GPL, it's harder to get in wrecks when all the other cars are 3 mins ahead of you around Nurburgring, where as in LFS, people actually play it.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Because there's more drivers in LFS then all 3 that play GPL, it's harder to get in wrecks when all the other cars are 3 mins ahead of you around Nurburgring, where as in LFS, people actually play it.

Now that proves you have never played it, your the true meaning of 'spitting the dummy out'

Even if you did have it, your blatently to odd to try it until you were fast,
GPL has a big community, Stretching from all over the globe, almost as much as LFS, there is people from Venezuela, Argentina, Brasil, South Africa, Mauritania , and everywhere in europe. There is about 20 servers running GPL on the serverlist i've never seen less than 14. Bear in mind GPL is 10 years old, and is still a benchmark, when people make new games. Im sure at LEAST 2 of the Devs have played GPL.

Its public servers, so you get all kinds from 13 year olds to 65 year olds, same with the maturity levels of individuals you get the full gamit. I rarely race on full servers and tend to try race with people I know that have mutual respect I normally can find some good racing each time I go online, which is what keeps me here - although I am pretty laid back so when incidents happen that shouldn't happen it doesn't bother me much

League racing would be much better I guess, but I just don't have the time for it

I have found the CTRA concurrent qualifying a good feature, but it can get a bit boring.

Sadly there is people who doesn't care if you are next to them and take the best racing line anyway, I've been there, it annoys me if I get crashed but there isn't much you can do, in LFS there are excellent drivers as there are horrible ones, if somebody is driving recklessly be extra careful and try to pass him in the straight line where there are no excuses for bad driving.

Quote from RiGun :

Sadly there is people who doesn't care if you are next to them and take the best racing line anyway, I've been there, it annoys me if I get crashed but there isn't much you can do, in LFS there are excellent drivers as there are horrible ones, if somebody is driving recklessly be extra careful and try to pass him in the straight line where there are no excuses for bad driving.

But even on the straights they seem to try to stop me slipstreaming them by weaving, making them slower, and then try to ease me offline, i have forcefully pushed back once to get onto the track again.. but again, I get the blame.

I think he was just making a joke, I mean it is incredibly easy for people to get a good three minutes or so ahead around the full size Nurburgring on any game be it GPL or heck even Forza 2.

While I'm speaking of Forza, I will say that there are a fair few players of that game who can't drive and shouldn't be allowed on the roads whether real or virtual. Ever seen a 5 car pile up mostly consisting of reasonably priced family four seaters?

I have.

I agree with you that some times there is impossible to race. People crash and wreck you and DO GOD DAMN ALLWAYS NEVER EVER WHAT SO EVER BRAKE IN TURN ONE! Like So Classic with Fox, it isn`t hard at all because the car itself has good grip and great handling, but people think they can brake 5M before the corner and survive, and when 15 of 20 cars do this... well figure it out yourself..
Like this one day on one server, on like 6 races in a row I got taken out, I braked in good time to make sure I didn`t tok out any but then there comes these person THAT NEVER learns anything (yes they are the same all over) and crashes me, and thanks to lag I wipe out like 8 cars and get kicked, thank you.
Sometimes I say, sometimes I really want to kill someone :gnasher:

Blueflame, if you want clean and good racing, look for a league or at least some organized events. On publics you need the "i dont care if I get shot by n00bs" genom

Quote from Vykos69 :

Blueflame, if you want clean and good racing, look for a league or at least some organized events. On publics you need the "i dont care if I get shot by n00bs" genom

Right Vykos
Ill look for a league with a preference of car can adapt to.

Quote from BlueFlame :

On LFS i give the reasonable amounts of room 'unless i make a mistake' when people are alongside , or overtaking but its not good enough is it... they think cutting you up is fun, and then blaming YOU for the incident, its a joke, theres no give an take, its just give once, take 30 times, if people take too much, you will find they don't win races, so often can you let a guy through for him to go ahead of you, and crash out anyway, people think its NOW OR NEVER constantly, last lap, sure, thats fine by me, however annoyed i will end up if i am on the receiving end, alot of people need to learn you can play the 'stalking game' just like Rossi in Moto GP, plan where YOU are faster, and try and build a good lap up, to pass them where YOU want to, that way the pass falls into place for you, unless the guy cuts you up, which sadly, will probobly happen...

Im in a tough situation, i can race cleanly, but im not fast enough to leave behind the people who can't and what makes it worse is that there are people alot faster than me 2/3 seconds, who can't race anyway, so when you think 'oh hes faster' 'it will be nice racing' it just.... i don't understand the community of this game at all... and it reflects both in my forum posting, and chat on game servers.

Any suggestions? im getting faster all the time, im not asking for help to be fast... just on how to deal with these people that continue to cut me up, some say 'sorry' but they still do it again.

Ok, there are two factors that come into play when new drivers begin to drive on line, these are 1) the type of server/people you are racing with, and 2) youre ability to fend off drivers trying to bite at your heels.

When new drivers begin to drive on-line more often than not they'll connect to a server with other new drivers who both don't fully understand racing rules and are learning to controll the car....pretty much the same as yourself. The only advice I'll give you is to have patience, and in time you'll be good enough to race alongside some of the best where the racing get's faster, better and cleaner. For now my friend, it's a dog-eat-dog world in learning servers...don't be afraid to give a little of what you get....have patience and practice.practice.practice.

Oh! yeah...don't mind the idiots that spam "move out of the wayz kew n00b"...just press '-' minus sign to block msg's and concentrate on the road

It's rare I play on public servers for these reasons. Occasionally I do but invariably get fed up within a pretty short amount of time. League racing is the way to go.

If you can't stand it, why are you here, and not playing GPL with all 2 others that play it?

But another problem is that when im getting lapped, the blueflag appears , and tbh, its too soon, i would have to brake almost to a standstill before corner and if i let him go on the racing line, would be me on the inside and in a dangerous position almost on an island, if you will.

People seem to think, beeping and spamming BLUEFLAG, will make me notice them, also people who are Lapping people seem to think its ok to knock the backmarkers of the track, or use them as bump draft cars, recently an accident occured, when i was lapped, and a guy got loose.. I wanted to unlap myself and went up the inside, i checked the replay and unless he was blind or dropped his glasses, theres no way he didn't see me, yet he turned into me, and again, blamed ME.

Im not mentioning GPL to put DOWN LFS, im just using it as an Online benchmark... there is alot of give and take with racing and people seem to think you can just overtake people for position or not and not have to give the person they are overtaking anyroom, some people cut you up when your on the inside as if they didn't see you and you just think I could of rammed you... what would you have said then? even though it would of been their fault...

I normally play on the CTRA servers, and what makes it bad is that people report you when its clearly a racing incident.

Sorry for Rant guys, that was a long post of ****

Quote from BlueFlame :

I normally play on the CTRA servers, and what makes it bad is that people report you when its clearly a racing incident.

No need to worry about that. You won't get punished if you didn't do anything wrong, infact if the other guy was at fault he may get a infraction or warning to his license.

That's just what is great about the CTRA reporting system. There are actual people watching the replays, not just some automatic robot.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

If you can't stand it, why are you here, and not playing GPL with all 2 others that play it?

Rofl mate

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Because there's more drivers in LFS then all 3 that play GPL, it's harder to get in wrecks when all the other cars are 3 mins ahead of you around Nurburgring, where as in LFS, people actually play it.

That's a typical unintelligent bashing comment that gets people pissed off with LFS, GPL may have smaller public racers now but it still has a lot of leagues. When it did run more public servers I found even full servers (20 drivers) to be much cleaner than a lot of LFS pick up servers. They never really had to be admined at all because the fact the cars were so difficult to drive put off most of the noobs, yes people would spin but much like in the 60s the vast amount of crashes were single car unforced errors, whereas LFS, like modern motorsport, is mostly multi-car stupidity. The racing in GPL was as clean as it gets, no wings meant that there was only gain from drafting and it was great fun as well as a huge challenge. If these cars and tracks were in LFS and driven by the same bunch of drivers there's no doubt where I'd spend most of my time

Unfortunately setting up GPL is a bit of a task and to get the most out of it you have to play around a bit. Have you actually ever played GPL? and if so have you ever raced it online? If not then I suggest you shut up. Sorry to get a bit annoyed with you over this but your mindless territorial approach is what always ruins intelligent discussion about other sims.

Quote from BlueFlame :

But even on the straights they seem to try to stop me slipstreaming them by weaving

Weaving is taken very seriously both in real life and on the better LFS servers, I wouldn't refrain from reporting weavers on the CTRA servers.

Quote from BlueFlame :

People seem to think, beeping and spamming BLUEFLAG, will make me notice them

They really piss me off and on the CTRA servers you are actually allowed to race someone who spams a blue flag message at you. Type '$blue' to get more info on this

Quote from richy :

Stop racing and go pick some flowers.

I find that the worst post since Cr!ticalDri!ft.

Spending most of my waking hours on LFS on the excellent CTRA thingy, I do find people can't be observant around them. They seem to not use thier mirrors, and will not back off, even at the first corner, just so everyone gets through smoothly.

A lot of people, who unfortunatly around 12-16 years old are the ones at fault, thinking they are better, being in high spirits, and so on (not moaning, we all go through it) And its also normally those who are not known on these forums.

I just like to say now that there are plenty of mid-aged teenagers who are very good, who give space, race curtiesly (sp) and so on, but the idiots are unfortunatly in that age range.

Regarding blue flags, I think that more people need to check up on flag rules. I mean, most of you watch some form of racing, Formula 1, Nascar, MotoGp, BSB/WSB or something. And normally if a blue flag situation occurs the commentaters will say "This drive is under blue flag, so he should allow the leaders to pass and cause them as little delay as possible". That is how I learnt 90% of the flag rules, and if you dont learn them, then thats jsut your lazy nature.

(if you were on the CTRA(s1) xfg/xrg server at fe green yesterday about 8pm and remeber MuttherJammer or w/e he was called?:really

Some form of racing education needs to be made, as part of the training course, that teaches you how to drive on the first lap of a busy race, how to learn to observe around you, and so on.



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Quote from BlueFlame :

when i was lapped, and a guy got loose.. I wanted to unlap myself and went up the inside

But if you were lapped, you have no "right" to fight for position of say that he hit you when recovering, and any mashall would find you at fault, since you are trying to pass a car which is 1+ laps ahead of you. (unless he went miles off the track and lost 10 seconds or something, when that'd be okay, but from the incident you describe sounded like he just ran wide) and fighting over a position, say 15th and 1st. I've seen you on CTRA, your not a bad racer. But that comment you made will make me be very carefull when lapping you.

Well, i feel alot happier with the LFS community, even though its only one person 'ajp' agrees that the public community on LFS is just not as giving as the GPL one, and others im sure.

I have played GPL online, It's just no fun becuase it's not like LFS where you can join and have a race, it requires more commitment in joining a league, or finding a group of friends to race online with.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

it requires more commitment in joining a league, or finding a group of friends to race online with.

Thats exactly what GPL is, and what LFS isn't.