haha geeman1 nice site u put together, u seem such a hater is that coz u cannot afford a mac? all those problems u listed,,, i havent come across a single one and my original question was completely different, i did not start that thread to compare pc's vs mac's, even thou mac is also a pc ( and i will say it again, just to pee u off, ITS A BETTER PC) since it gives me trouble free time, it does all i want it to do and more and well if u were a bit smarter u'd realise that most industry is ran on macs, again for that one reason, IT WORKS!!!! u go buy a brand new windows, install it and go online, lets see how long u survive, since i got me mac i havent once turned on my firewall lol u seem well angry, makes me wonder WHY??